Hello, I've played old old source and new source alike, and archer mains have been fading away... After the big 4th job balance update I must say Archers are the least played or least desired class to play. They are the most expensive class to HP Wash with, they have no survivability in their kit, and their gear is certainly not the cheapest, their total weapon attack ratio formula is mediocre and they are a fully boss oriented class with no mobility to grind with. Sure they are designed to be a ranged DPS/Support class however they could use a small buff: In my humble opinion a +10% Crit Rate buff to archer Crit Mastery would hit the sweet spot. A 100% dmg to 115% dmg buff to strafe would be very fitting for Marksmen yes? (As their funding gets less relevant at higher levels) You could give BM/MM same damage output as NL and they will still be far behind, as they have no avoidability/stance capabilities just let that sink in. Its 2021 Sharp Eyes isnt rare. It is very accessible, so its no longer a class exclusivity. (Also MM should always be stronger than BM when Speed Infusion is involved) If they arent already after the latest strafe buffs We have seen a great increase of Buccaneer mains after the update We have seen Paladins come into play whereas they were "non-existent" before We have seen Shadower ...you get the point Please share your opinions on the validity of buffing the archer class, I would really appreciate everyone's opinion. Any other fellow member who would like to create a more in-depth proposal for the archer class discussion please go ahead
Corsairs technically the most expensive class to wash as they gain the same hp as archers but lose -16mp rather than -12mp archers do.
I think increasing the damage cap for critical hits could be a decent buff for marksmen, since snipe always hits the damage cap and crits 100% of the time. It doesn't really benefit meta attacker classes since they mostly deal a lot of smaller hits really fast. It's true that this would make marksmen significantly better than bowmasters when neither is well-funded, but it's only fair given that marksmen actually have to pay attention during boss battles. In my experience, archers aren't the most uncommon class; I see a lot more bowmasters than corsairs, despite the fact that corsairs are not a weak class at all. (maybe because they're all buying leech?)
I personally do want to see more Archers in general rather than being muled, but I think that BM's are in an 'ok' spot. Marksman I'm not too familiar with and don't see much but I think its because BMs outclass Marksman (In terms of a Bow Master providing higher DPS as well as 'SE' aka the "best" version of the Archer class). That's my 2 cents on the discussion
In general terms MMs can use a buff bcs it fulfills the exact same role as bms, just slighty worse and a higher cost(need SI to be close to bms dps) Bms absolutely dont need a buff at all, whoever actually mains a bm knows that, theyre wanted asf, deal nice dmg at higher lvls despite their gears. Tbh everyone talks about NLstory...im not that shure if this game isnt bmstory actually..... strafe alrdy does 125%, and even with taht theyre behind...this topic has been discused a few times in the past, u can check the results on those threads in this same section To finish u listed a few jobs that got buffed and are actually really good rn, and with all of that, theyre not as good as Bms are
@Relmy Marksman oh boy, I was completely uninformed about that I think this discussion should be shifted to a Marksman exclusive approach perhaps then, we will see more archers in play Seems to be the key here
Bowmasters are fine, the Marksman class could probably use a little buff. If MM with SI DPS = BM DPS, then I think we're in a good spot. And if MM Snipe was brought back to be able to hit through weapon cancel, that would be nice too.
I agree with this as a BM main. While BM doesn't depend on other classes' buff to reach max damage potential. (They don't even need their own booster lol), MM need SI to close the DPS gap. It's MM who needs another small buff.
Yes, but , like i said theres plenty threds about how to give some relevance to mms, theres nothing wrong to discuss it here again, but i think it would be better if u provide ur experience as an archer there. Also i dont think archers in general are the most unpopulated job, i dont have actual numbers on me, but i could bet theres more main bm+mm than sairs or pallys or even shadowers, the real problem is that bms are always needed,(u can have a sair,shad or pally in a boss run, but if theres none no one will cry about it) so theres always a lack of bms, i think this come from the propaganda of NLstory wich i must say, not funded nls arent that broken, confortable to play yes....ppl with mid funds will LOVE to main a bm I also would love to see more bms, but i dont think that make them broken is the solution.(again this applies for bms, MMs do need a buff)
Give both classes more HP gain upon level up (say 20-24 instead of 16-20) and either add a fifth arrow to MM's Strafe or increase its Strafe skill dmg cap to 150% BM is fine as it is, other than having low hp unwashed. The problem with tweaking the HP gain for archer is that it is a lot of work to compensate those who made bowmen before this hp gain change.
would it 5 lines strafe kills the nostalgia?.. idk, as long as it similar it doesnt matter to me(not in this topic, most of them)
Not entirely true cause sair gets 20 HP when you wash with APR but archers get 16-20 Also I think archers are still a lot more popular than pirates. While buccs got more popular now they are still not as common as BMs, and sairs are still unpopular. Regarding the crit I think it can work for MM actually, I mean it's kinda ridiculous that a class called Marksman who is all about sniping got lower crit chance than NL
In the latest update (67) they buffed the Raven xbow that requires more STR than dragon shiner cross(need 135), which is pointless. Why don't they just buff MM instead, haiyaaa...... Even more, they make Crimson Arclancer as good as dragon shiner bow, with faster atk speed, extra HP and less STR required... BM not only the strongest archer already but still getting benefits. WTF is all of this?
arrowman can't jump and shoot, that makes then bad to fix make so arrowman can jump and shoot and nerf nls
