Sexism When Enforcing Rules Regarding "Sexist" Comments

I find that the perception of Royals's ToS enforcement speaks volumes in a thread regarding context where everyone is referring to the word TemuTemuTemuTemu as the "c-word".

 

and it literally got censored.

 

Hi Dave, I think Monica is referring to a person who attempted to use guild chat SS's to create reports
I'd say that one was more just a low-blow as this person literally went undercover under a different alias and stayed in the guild for about a month with access to irl pics etc.
We can save this for a new thread on information harvesting.

 

I believe the c-word shouldn't be allowed regardless of context. There's too much room to abuse this. For example smega-ing "What's good, c-word?". Sure, there wasn't any malicious intent. Some will take it as a friendly greeting but others might not. Like what was mentioned in some of the previous thread(s) regarding these cases, there isn't a need to communicate like this as an adult. Just my two cents, video-gaming is an activity of escapism and mainly used by escapists. What is considered "ok" in real life should not be always necessary to be tolerable here. Please take into account and be mindful of the different races/cultures. There's a reason why these words are considered vulgarities. Personally, I feel playing a game where people are hurling vulgarities around is no bueno, amigos.

 

What OP and other people are asking for is a clear and consistent application of the rules. If "c-word" isn't allowed, dick, douchebag, "female dog", etc should not be allowed either. What would be really helpful is a profanity filter.

 

The only abuse going on is what 10 other people said - exploitation of the reporting system aka you guys wanting to get rid of people you don't like (I can't possibly imagine you have mules in every FM to catch players slipping an N-word to "make the server better". So yes let's cut the bullshit, amigo)
There's a reason why we have an issue with this word. It is not universally known to be "hate speech" (context does matter) and it is a word in a "gray-area" as you can tell from these 30 posts. Regardless of my situation, all they're doing is asking for clarity and if it's allowed then suck it up lmao that's part of being an "adult" too.

Nothing personal Ant, but please never again compare what ch18 fm did (banter) to a "heist/terrorism". Anything you say after that really makes people discredit your thinking process...

 

If “What’s up, c-word” was said between two people in a public fm entrance and neither was offended, how could a third person possibly be? Which race/culture is offended here? This isn’t the f-word, n-word or the other c-word, which can be offensive to people of a certain race or sexual orientation.

Personally, I feel like a game where people can be banned for hurling the c-word with no ill intent is no bueno, amigos.

 

I 100% agree with you in regards to the inconsistency when applying the ToS. My sincere apologies, I fell into the rabbit hole. But what waste stated above your post, was my thoughts regarding but not limited to just the "c-word".

 

Sometimes I just AFK in FM and happen to see players break the rules. Just to clarify, I wasn't the one that reported you Shin. But here is an example of me afk-ing in a FM channel that was supposedly considered the "Guild's AFK Area" waiting for my TL to go off cooldown. https://royals.ms/forum/threads/what-is-deemed-as-rwt-joke.173365/.
For the sake of this discussion, if you do not want to use heist/terrorism, feel free to swap in any illegal activity in a real-world context for these 2 words. The results will still be the same. Why must it be illegal? Well, apparently something that is illegal/against the T&C happened in ch18.

 

I appreciate your example but our point still stands that it wasn't some "one-off instance", but like I said previously let's cut the BS. Someone from your guild alerted me that these actions were going on (camping in fm18 with a clear motive) so thank you for not being the c*word who camped and reported but maybe your guild leader can help clarify the real motives.

Not all illegal activities are the same. We ran a fuckin stop sign bro lol relax TERRORISM???

The point is to focus on the crux of the matter. It's been a wild past 3 days... I'm sick of this shit so DM me or figure it out with your guild if you're genuinely confused. I don't wanna ruin my post:like ratio

 

Disclaimer: Before this goes into a race discussion, I'm from Asia myself and also have sufficient knowledge and understanding of the Western culture. This post is not intended in any way to talk shit about any race/religion/culture.

If we are only talking exclusively about the "c-word". For the more conservative/reserved race such as Asia, Asians might not necessarily like it/find it offensive. Comparing this to the majority of western culture, it is actually the complete opposite. For culture, literally, any culture can be offended. And also religion (which I did not mention previously), the majority of the religion do not encourage this as well. Some religions might even consider eating/associating with "pig" or "beef" taboo. But obviously, I'm not here to discuss race/religion/culture, I'm just giving my opinion that we should be mindful of what we say.

 

I camp Sleepywood/NLC hackers myself, and they aren't "one-off instances". I actually make the attempt to go down to camp them. But obviously comparing your scenario with hackers it's a little too far-fetched, but regardless, it is still considered breaking the T&C. And also, not trying to be fake here or anything, if I get news of ch18 breaking the T&C, you can be sure to see me camping there as well.

On the topic of guilds, to be fair and honest, I've seen campers from your guild as well. To the extent of repeatedly using chalkboards to disrupt conversations. Sitting on big chairs to annoy me, even after I've changed my location.

Apologies again for the off-tangent discussion. But back to the actual discussion of the crux of the matter, inconsistency when applying the T&C.

Goodnight loopy.

 

Man, how hard is it to not use questionable language in a 2D pixelated side scrolling Korean MMORPG?

 

Apparently, very.

 

Ah I meant to address the people making the point, "leave your controversial conversations to private chat." My point is that private chats are not entirely safe. I know there have been instances where it's gotten really toxic in these Discord groups and it has been reasonable to issue bans then (GMs have done bans based on Discord messages 100%, granted with more additional in game evidence I hope, so it's not beyond Royals jurisdiction, but yeah some of them were more controversial than a curse word, so I get it), but I just can't agree with the people are saying "you should say that sort of stuff only in private chat" when private chats are actually not even safe. I mean might as well just fully implement that, "don't say anything questionable or controversial anywhere" at this point. I understand that the staff won't ban someone just cause they said "c**t" in a Discord chat, but my point is private chats are not safe. Discord messages are being using against people, even if it isn't a deciding factor in bans.

Discord owners/moderators can handle private channels through privacy settings, and whatever customization is needed so certain people can access certain chatrooms... But sometimes when you trust someone and gladly welcome them with open arms into your private Discord channel, they just backstab you and that's what happens a lot in these Discord groups. There are just some people who have targets on their backs. You could argue that they should be sure that they trust these people 100% or that they shouldn't be saying these things in the first place or doing whatever they have been doing, but it's a ranting space. I mean where else will people go to rant to a group of people they trust, they're not going to type a message out to each individual if they want to quickly get their point across to multiple close friends.

In my opinion, I think there are just a lot of people who will screenshot at any opportunity, infiltrate past privacy settings, who will go so far to find a way to sneak in through earning your trust and then backstabbing you, and for people to say "private chats are safe..." it is just incredibly, not true.

TL ; DR
Discord messages are being using against people, even if it isn't a deciding factor in bans. People will always try to sneak their way into private chats and hope to find some incriminating conversations, so thus, they are not entirely safe. People are screenshotting left and right.

 

It amazes me how all of you can write such long essays about the following:

1) c-word;
2) n-word; and
3) f-word


The only person/thing that shouldn’t be named is this

 

Disclaimer: Please do not quote me on any of the examples provided, I tend to exaggerate examples to understand things better, but the key principle of the debate should be there. I won't bother debating with you on the examples. If you want to debate on this topic, debate on the key principle instead. Thank you. Also, this is another post from me that is actually not related OP's actual discussion.

I totally agree with you that private chats are not ENTIRELY safe. Even for the Discord application itself, your chats can still be disclosed by Discord if they deem necessary. I haven't heard of anyone getting banned solely for simply using vulgarities/racial/homophobic slurs in a discord channel. The food you eat, are they ENTIRELY safe? The house you live in, is it ENTIRELY safe? Staff can easily pull up chat logs, for whispers/maple messenger/ secluded area conversations, are these chats ENTIRELY safe? Definitely not. My point is, the majority of the things in this world are not ENTIRELY safe, but you still do it anyway. Why is that so? Probably because it mitigates/prevents dire situations.

I partially agree with you, people leak things on discord all the time. This has been happening for such a long time, even back in the days where spies were used for military purposes. Do you think that pre-war strategies were disclosed to low-ranking military personnel? Definitely not. There is a system called security clearance. My point is, I sincerely appreciate you as a human being for giving people the benefit of doubt and trusting them. Since you already know it and said it yourself i.e people doing shady things in discord, my only personal advise to you is that the world is not such an idealistic place where you can simply trust anyone that is nice to you, practice some skepticism and you will find yourself getting betrayed less.

 

Exactly, it's not enitrely safe at all, which is why I don't like it when people say "leave it to the private chats." It'll mislead people to believe they can continue to say anything and assume that their chats aren't being screenshotted by certain people. People have said, and should continue saying "don't say anything controversial anywhere" instead or just exclude it entirely. Quite simply that.

Reiterating my main point for my entire discussion, I really just don't like it when people say "talk about it in private chat." (It was my response to Baaax's comment: "If you want to be vulgar, keep it to whispers or private chats how hard is that to comprehend or manage?" - cause even if we're vulgar in whispers and private chats, word gets out there all the time)