Let's discuss: do you think this deserves an unban?

were u gonna help her work on her boobs? you make me sick.

 

It's incredibly, EXCEEDINGLY common when it comes to sexual assault, abuse, and rape.

It's amazing how much being in a friend group with, being employed with/by someone, and in general fearing retribution/being ostracized can make it hard for people to come forth.

Considering the statute of limitations for sexual harassment is years- a month is nothing, and 48 hours is insane.

 

Because people that are harassed are scared of sexual predators and reporting them might create provocative action?

 

You obviously dont know the emotional courage it takes to come out publicly

 

I agree with you. But the thing is, in this particular case, things are not as severe as the example you provided.

 

^^^^ THIS!!!! It baffles me that some people on this thread expect a victim to confront their abuser in such a quick turnaround. There are plenty of complicated emotions associated with sexual harassment and it takes TIME to decompress these emotions. There are soooo many cases where sexual assault, abuse, and rape victims come forward months, years, sometimes even decades later.

Especially in a situation like this where it's known that the abuser has a relationship to a person in power.

But go ahead @Aestel, be a keyboard warrior for a sexual harasser. Birds of a flock do tend to fly together.

 

Yes, you can wait a month even decades.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/18/us/kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford.html

Please, I don't know if we're playing dumb here or what but let's get in line with current realities. This is simply victim-shaming someone for coming forward.

 

Not really our place to judge.

However based purely on how tonight has unfolded and reports I've been handling her skins a lot thicker than his ever was.. lol

 

the comments made from the 1st-7th page was based off a 1 sided story. Now that the accused have spoken, maybe it might change your opinion. They were friends to begin with, exchanging crude remarks(not sure to what extend). I'm not discounting the fact that harassment is harassment, and there are obvious after effects attached. But in this case, a friend offering advice to help with her self esteem is treated as harassment. idk man.

 

Let's give you the benefit of the doubt that you have troubles communicating in English (even though this post sounds perfectly fine to me lmao), and that you're a nutritionist trying to look out for a friend. You don't tell someone who wasn't happy with their body by saying things like "you have big tits" "but you need more butt". You literally just sexualized her. You would think that someone working in the field to help with their fitness-related issues would have more empathy and realization and common sense to communicate it in a completely different manner. Let's not even begin to discuss how you seem to egotistical need to defend yourself by justifying your wealth with a video of your car/cars. But who knows, let's see what staff's final verdict becomes in how this was all justified.

Edit: For those who are arguing about how this was posted in a time-line way past when it occurred. Harrassment is harrassment, no means no. It does not matter whether she posts it now or months into the future, the fact that it occurred is the issue. We can forever speculate whether it was "revenge" or maybe that it was she was afraid to post it. But no means no. She clearly said to stop and he still continue the conversation asking about squats.

 

all im saying is, you dont even know the full story

unlike you, we dont impersonate others when ban evading

 

Let me also bring to light the manner in which @Raony talks to @June. We all know that the term "baby don't be mad" can be used in a condescending manner towards women, and this is exactly what you see here.
I can understand "baby" being used in an endearing way, but the way he uses it is NOT endearing at all. How is this even appropriate knowing the context behind his words?
All I am bringing to light is his attitude, this should say enough about his behavior.

 

You should never judge anything before you hear both sides of the story,
it leads to chaos and demonizing of the staff, making all the banned people and RWTers go crazy and to more people purposely getting themselves banned in-game.
Nobody is a saint in this case and theres a lot of toxicity/harrasment on every side of this story, no need to make a private conflict so public (even if it has valid points which June tried to mention).
Thats how you make constructive criticism: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/staff-team-changes.180215/#post-1052765,
not by using the community as weapon against the staff.
Just my opinion.

 

you can't expect everyone to speak up right away, they may be uncomfortable giving out information about something thats happen to them. Sure its easy for you to say since you're not in that position. Whether she wants to speak up right away or 5 years later it doesn't matter. Doesn't mean what happened should be dismissed

 

Is there more to a story about someone doxing another person, displaying all her photos, and then revealing them in negative way to attack her? Is that not harassment?

 

So I will! I'm going to say first, the fact that you just invoked my name in this (WITH NO WARNING or heads up or anything) rubs me the wrong way. It feels like you're trying to imply that I'm on your side, which is not true. I'd like to think that recently, how I've been kind of not involving myself with you or going out of my way to avoid speaking to you should be clear, that hey, maybe I don't want anything to do with you or this. And yet, here we are. So moving on, I still stand by what I said in those screenshots. The doxxing thing was completely unacceptable and I assume it got deleted for your safety by a mod in the discord.

Sexual harassment isn't cool and a serious matter, however I have seen some things from you yourself, and other people, that makes me question the intentions behind your claim. I've heard some stuff after asking some questions to someone regarding your screenshot, but that's not really something I'm going to disclose anything on further.

I will say that when you posted the same screenshot that is the focus of this thread in the oblivion discord, I found myself questioning it because it was shown in the middle of the argument between Shin and Raony. IMO, you flaunted it then and there as means to get leverage on someone in the middle of a heated argument that was between them -- and from the looks of it, left out what even led to Raony commenting on your tits. It struck me as strange that you purposely only showed so much of a conversation. So I asked around and got confirmation of your intentions. Also, I want to add that those discord conversations you shared seem to be old screenshots and perhaps intentionally so? There are no timestamps on the argument discord screenshots you posted which is misleading imo. Anyone who witnessed it knows when it happened which was, not that recently.

This is not as black and white as you make it out to look, but I can only say so much. So I'm going to just go a bit off topic and speak some things as to why I'm finding myself (and have found myself doubtful) of why you're bringing this up now, in the first place.

Spoiler

After that whole discord drama, I believe a day or a few hours later? Can't recall, but Raony announced that things were patched up, and I was glad. Buuuut, it's not that simple. Very recently to get Oblivion more active and get to do things other than Royals, I hosted Among Us games. Naturally, people joined in. In one of the calls we had following that patch up which DIDN'T involve Raony, it became memey towards him/ jokes w/ that whole drama mentioned above. At first, I paid no mind to it and honestly, didn't even register that it was being referenced until someone told me. It made me wonder if people really meant that they were sorry and willing to move on. Since then, I've been pretty indifferent towards the people who seem to say the most about this.

I hope you give this a read, and I don't know, maybe this will shed some light on things. Maybe not. Both parties are in the wrong (IMO) and I think this personally is the wrong way to go about this, as there has been a back and forth between both sides for quite some time now.

Edit: I bolded some key statements, so don't you dare try to imply this as me defending one side OR sexual harassment by responding the way I did because you're missing my point if you do so. I also do not agree with the things Raony has said. Peace!

 

Her courage was actually anger for the fact that she didn’t achieve what she wanted, revenge.

I don’t blame her, her boyfriend got banned but he should be responsible for his own acts, I didn’t point a gun to his head and make him ban evade.

With that being said, I forgot to mention that instantly after the facts in discord happened I went to her humbly and apologized for my acts. I explained that I suffered racism and that doesn’t justify but that got me hurt and I acted recklessly. I told her that would not happen again. And what she did? Nothing.

I understand you guys point of view towards me, and I don’t judge y’all. You can think what you want, and I respect it, after all the screenshot really says it all but it’s a friend talking to another, she literally called me son of a b*** in Portuguese or she used to say “vai tomar no c*” which means go stick sonethig in ur ass. And I am not here playing the victim, we openly talked about sex too. About how was in our respectively countries as in cultural aspects


This is an oustrangeous universal move to burn my image at any cost since she didn’t obtain what she wanted which was my head.


Yeah I said ass, and tits. With the context of our friendship I tought it was cool to speak such words to a girl that only talks about drugs, sex, getting high and such. I’ll not even mention the times she asked me for in game help and I actually helped her giving apples, lending gear, etc, because that was how friends we were!

Since I went to you and apologize for my mistake and you didn’t accept because you were too pride for that, I kept quiet on mine, just played my game.


I suggest you to do the same. Attempting to give me the perv status or calling out the whole community like that won’t bring your boyfriend back.

 

first 7 pages of bashing people with 1 side of the story is just ridiculous and unfair.

 

You are failing to realize I was a GM and I was given all evidence prior to this thread being created.

What’s unfair is the overt favoritism by @Tim given to @Raony. He should have been given a full ban appeal process like everyone else, but instead, Tim threw a tantrum in staff chat and threatened to quit if his buddy wasn’t freed from his temporary ban. Does that look fair to you, @Aestel? Does it look fair that Tim blindsided all of staff with that outrageous statement instead of talking through it prior to unbanning his buddy ol’ pal?

Ease up on the boot, Ant. You look like a clown.

 

Honestly, Raony sounds like one of the only sane and remotely normal people ITT despite the language/culture barrier.

You *~censored*~ are acting like the dude pulled her titty out on the subway........ he told her she has big tits and a small ass (which she publicly displays) in an internet message from an entirely different continent. "the courage it takes" "scared of predators" my fucking *~censored~* hole

Calm down baby