Let's discuss: do you think this deserves an unban?

lol I saw this now, kinda suspicious how he made this right when this whole thing happened:
https://royals.ms/forum/threads/upd...nd-hiring-new-intern-gms.180201/#post-1052483

 

Yeah, totally revenge only, poor Raony, hes just misunderstood because of his culture. Definitely not literate in English, definitely not showing extreme predatory behavior. He's just a misunderstood nice guy.

Pick better friends.

 

jesus fuck charlie u nasty wid it u go gorl <3 THE REVOLUTION IS HERE

 

Once again Tim, I love you lol. But this ain't it. Raony's first Harassment ban was for a different issue altogether. Raony's second Harassment ban that was overturned was specifically for the whispers he sent to Sharon about her body. He did not serve his ban for this Harassment. Why does his "appeal" get the benefit of personalized attention and empathy from an Admin with a clear conflict of interest--commenting on "how unlikable of a person [Sharon] is"? You've made it clear during the extremely rushed internal discussion we had that Raony should not have been banned, and you're certainly entitled to that opinion. But out of all the Harassment cases that we've had, how many got to be unbanned just because one Admin who was friends with the player in question felt that their particular case was improperly decided? Without providing any opportunity for the rest of Staff to give their input or express disagreement by threatening to quit? If you say there was no conflict of interest in your ultimate decision, I am willing to believe you--partly because I honestly don't have much of a choice regardless but mostly because I do genuinely believe that you tirelessly work for the betterment of this community. But I would like you to at least acknowledge the fact that this entire process was completely mismanaged.

This is the second day in a row in which an Admin has broken all forms of established procedure and protocol to take it upon themselves to deliver their own sense of justice in a Harassment case. And as a current member of Staff, I am asking that you address this elephant in the room.

 

You'd need it to be that long to pull off the mental gymnastics needed to justify overlooking the comments made about a man's penis size while at the same time demonizing somebody for commenting on his friend's tit/ass size.

 

I feel really nosey just because I don't know any the parties involved; however, I do enjoy the game and the community so I just felt like I had to say something. I must say though.... Roan is lame as hell. I definitely tried to give the situation a benefit of a doubt by saying they were friends and that although what he said was wrong (and always will be), it should be looked at differently. I def changed my mind on that after seeing him acting like this multiple times with another person. I'm glad I never came across him in game or that he never acted like that to anyone I knew in the game because I would've treated his ass instantly and got banned myself lmao. He acts like a goofy and feels entitled. That whole stalking girls facebook social media is lame and extra scary. That's like some killer creep stuff dude and you need to check yourself mentally.

Life is much more than just worrying about girls social media or trying to get them to talk to ya man.

 

its funny how you claim to hate sjw when youre acting like one. youre literally triggered at me saying dont sexually harass women.
and which friends? most people here dont care about stupid guild drama. we just think sexual harassment and misogyny and racism are all wrong. you are not a normal person. you take offense at me saying dont sexually harass women and you are embarassing yourself. you are mentally unstable. seek help

 

Hello Everyone, Here are the in game notifications that informed the general MapleRoyals audience of this situation.

 

Imagine Gordon Ramsay joining royals. 0.0

 

Please take the time to read my response through before you respond emotionally again. Feel free to reply once you have done so!

 

What we've learned :

1) Don't be a scumbag/sleezebag to people on virtual games.

2) Don't share your private information/pictures with people on virtual games

Nobody was in the right here.

Grow up, treat people with respect/decency, and don't share stuff online that you aren't prepared to have shared to others (DUH?)...

 

For some reason I think this matter outrages does mainly due to double standards towards friends/Not-Friends

 

As time passes and the more I reflect on this, the more all of this feels so wrong to me. At the end of the day, a judgment call was essentially made by a single member of Staff to overturn a Harassment ban based on their individual opinion that a person they deemed as "unlikable" was just being petty and a person they deemed as their friend was just making a joke.

 

So we have to wait another day for Tim to reply? smh

 

Dear @Tim Kindly provide the dm between you and Raony which should take place in Ban Appeal Post. I really looking forward how did he reply in the dm.

 

Don't let this message sink friends.

 

can we just push for him to resign already this isn't going anywhere

 

Yawn. 26 pages later and I don't see any constructive actions being taken. What I do see:

1. More and more evidence being piled on about blatant harassment but also about disheartening toxicity between the player base. At this point no one cares about this "motive" behind the reports/bans/appeals. Clearly something has happened with an insurmountable amount of damning evidence.
2. Side conversations that are pandering and adding fuel the the discourse over harassment, misogyny, victim blaming, blackmailing, racism, hate speech, etc. Honestly guys. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. This is all just drama and tea. All this talk about cOnTeXt and "not knowing the whole story." Grow up. You play a mushroom game originally intended for children. You're adults now so act like it. If you need certain topics explained to you over a Maplestory private server forum board, you need to perhaps put some effort into actual research and some considerable amount of thought between opposing views, values, and opinions. Don't minimize topics that are serious and don't try to speak for someone if you aren't them and have NO firsthand experience of what they themselves are going through in that exact time and situation. Everyone reacts differently to different situations, maybe try to be empathetic and understanding of people for their responses. See where they're coming from and the bigger picture on why they do things.
3. Why don't we focus on the issue at hand: the egregious conflict of interest, abuse of administrate power, and lack of accountability within staff and between their player base. Must come as a shock to many people but there is another thread that has been posted in feedback, by an ex-staff member at that. I would like to safely assume their opinions hold some grounds for higher merit or weight in what they have to contribute to the conversation? Seeing how multiple members of staff have recently stepped down and are currently voicing their opinions on what they believe as injustice seems to be a giant red flag that deserves some attention. If you really are that lazy or oblivious: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/staff-team-changes.180215/
4. And also: you play this game and abide by its rules. Most of us hope that these set of terms and conditions are there to keep people in line and to protect our "rights" for a fucking video game. If you can't settle disputes unrelated to aspects of gameplay, such as harassment, between all parties involved in a private and civil manner, staff is supposedly here to help mediate that. Yes, most of this drama are between people and probably between groups of people who are at ends with each other. Your petty little war is just that: petty. Certain people having to resort to slander, blackmail, and harassment to get back at each other seems very childish and immature for people who are deemed adults by most societal standards. But the icing on the cake is the fact that there is "favoritism" by staff members and the abuse of their privileged connections to circumvent the entire Terms and Conditions that ALL players, including staff, must abide by. Sad to see on all fronts to say nonetheless. Progress would look like active amendments or review over current T&C which seem to take awhile.

How about we see some actual changes being taken place? Maybe some accountability and/or transparency to the community/players you volunteered to "serve" as a member of staff/admins. We don't really expect much (or at least I don't) from a volunteer group for a free-to-play (lol) online mushroom RPG side-scroller but maybe a little bit of human decency and common sense is warranted in this specific situation? Are we really going to let this thread keep going for how long until something finally gets addressed. Also, something this big deserves some intervention, I would think, by someone with unchallenged authority? @Matt Hey guy I've never met nor heard of my entire life until this very moment. It seems your server is lowkey on fire. While you may sit there like the dog in the meme with house on fire saying "This is fine", I think your community begs to differ. With this much backlash, I'm surprised you haven't acted and taken reign. Not even some PR control or at least speaking on the recent actions/inactions taken within your current staff? I have no grievances towards you, as don't most people (I think) who play on this server. Just like to see something be done ASAP? Your life obligations obviously take precedence over this video game, but I believe your community deserves a response when continually asking for one. I hope you take things with an open perspective as well, because there's like 99% a wrong side here.

Feel free to try and argue with me on certain points and scrutinize sentences from different parts of this post. I'm kinda tired of rereading the same shit over and over. I definitely won't reply and only hope people come to their senses.

 

If what you say is true that the first harassment ban was for something else entirely, then yes I think the second harassment ban being overturned is pretty questionable.

From what Tim said:
"November 8th
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While Raony’s intentions may have been innocent or part of friendly chat in his opinion, Sharon still has the right to feel harassed about it and make a report if she wishes to do so as a case can be made for the screenshot being harassment."

Considering this event, it depends on the precedent for this kind of situation. It seems the most fair that there should be no tolerance for these kind of statements, regardless of what his intentions might have been. It's not good that with everything that's happened afterwards, it seems people mainly want to ban him out of spite. That is not how things should work because it is weaponizing the T&C for past events and over a long feud.

Regardless, I think what's still the most fair is he should still be banned for this as a second offense and the 48 hour rule (though too short) only be applied to new cases from now on. There's also the issue of him doxxing which is somewhat debatable as well given the context and I'm not sure the precedent for that but potentially he could receive another ban for that. Again, this is what the staff is for right is interpreting and applying the rules. In a case as complicated as this, Tim should definitely consult the other GMs as well.

 

Good morning my frens