Let's discuss: do you think this deserves an unban?

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    Bruh this all could have been avoided if you'd let the one week ban pass(I forgot how long the ban was supposed to be). You can wait it out instead of going through this whole clownfest.
     
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    I dont call it gotcha post. All those are very valid questions.

    Classic leftist ideology ??? okay. ima let this post die.
     
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    he probably can’t disclose any... they’re probably talking to each other on how to save each other at this very moment
     
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    this post isnt just about what raony did or said anymore. its also about how @Tim continuously defends his friends and saves them whereas the rest of us dont have any of those privileges. its annoying to see such bias. so many people have been banned for far less, even permanently. they werent given any second chances. how come being a friend of tim will get you that opportunity? we're just sick of the favouritism. its not a new topic yet it hasnt been addressed yet for years and frankly its extremely annoying.
     
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    My feedbacks thread point is admin power abuse as you mentioned.
    I had to post this scenario(my report) to make this point.
    I really appreciate everyone who supported me and women rights. It means a lot to me as it is kinda uncomfortable to expose something like this to the whole community. You guys really warmed my heart.
    I hope my report will get reopened and mags report will get handled as well.
    We can’t change what already happened but we can definitely still do something.
    Back to my threads topic, please check this thread:
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/staff-team-changes.180215/ and let’s think what we can do to make a change.
    Once again, love you all, that’s way more than I ever expected.
     
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    There are overwhelming amounts of red flags from recent posts that are honestly just painful to read.

    Would we agree on the point that harassment, both sexually and racially charged, is inexcusable in any setting? I'd hope that's why "Objectionable Behavior (Harassment) is a bannable offense per the T&C.

    I believe what many of us, including the OP, are looking for (forgive me if I'm wrong) is for consistency in how punishments are handled. A player reported an instance where she felt uncomfortable by another player commenting on her body. No matter what the background of their relationship is, that is still a real concern that needs to be addressed. I would expect him to go through the regular ban appeal process like everyone else. No exceptions.

    Again, racist remarks made towards anyone are inexcusable and should not be tolerated. We see that the proper punishments were given out during this case. A temporary ban for harassment. Why wouldn't sexual harassment reports be treated the same way? From what I'm gathering, Raony's initial 3 day ban was related to his conversations with Shin. But we're currently discussing separate conversations held with Sharon. They are not the same people, and it's not the same case.
    It's not a simple matter of changing their mind. If you're doing something that's making your friend feel uncomfortable and are asked to stop, you stop. Yes, putting your effort into anti cheating and rwt can make the game a better place, but if Staff doesn't put effort into harassment reports then I'm genuinely concerned for the safety of this community. Should players expect any changes from Staff or are we going to let this die out?​

    I don't know about you, but I'd be offended if even my family/friends let alone someone I met online decided to take a facebook picture and post it to a group with dozens of people without my permission. Sharon has the right to share her photos on her own terms, but that doesn't mean someone else does.​
     
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    Thanks for the long reply Tim, but this doesn't alleviate the situation at all.
    Firstly, when presenting facts/happenings of an event, it's important to present it as is and leave your judgement/interpretation out.
    You clouded your presentation of facts with personal opinions/interpretations.


    This statement is incredibly wrong and I hope you see, if someone has ill-intentions towards you, the same things could be done to you, as someone who's revealed personal info and images on a public platform such as the forums. Would this then be considered doxxing? Or will you let it slide?

    I also think one major thing a lot of us are unhappy with is why the accused here is able to skip the entire Ban Appeal process everyone else has to go through, false ban or not, overturned ban or not.
     
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    What you're doing is called minimizing and demonstrating either illiteracy or lack of awareness. Perhaps you should come back when you aren't responding so emotionally.
     
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    if in your own opinion it was favoritism to see clearly revenge reports being used as a weapon then so be it, but this situation is pretty clear at this point, and i suggest this thread be locked and let the pieces fall where they may. everyone on all sides have said their part it's time to move on.
     
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    @Tim so your friend raony is a professional trainer, professional nutritionist, professional comedian, and now ur saying hes a professional life coach. What's next? He's friends with Dwayne The Rock Johnson? Like take a step back and look at yourself. This is getting pathetic.
     
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    tl;dr Tim might be a hero, but he's not irreplacable.

    The drama between a bunch of ordinary royals players is relatively minor in the bigger scheme of things. Players on both sides said and did stupid things and don't want to take responsibility for their own actions. I guess playing a 20-year-old mushroom game that was designed for highschoolers make some people forget that they're no longer in high school. I can definitely see why staff don't like dealing with that kind of drama. There's only so much that can be said about it.

    The issue of the "hero" admin here is the elephant in the room. This server seems to revolve around Tim. He's treated as irreplaceable. If he isn't getting his way, he only needs to mention veto powers and a threat that he will leave. People are afraid to question him because he's the hero, and the server will die without him. The hero is actually a dictator, as when a vote is called, there are only two options: vote how he wants or abstain from voting.

    The conflicts of interest are problematic too. Tim is friends with a lot of people on this server, and it seems that many of his friends are the type to get caught up in drama. It isn't right for Tim to be involved *at all* in making decisions regarding anybody he is friends with or anybody who is an "enemy" of somebody he is friends with. Additionally, it's silly that staff members are allowed to lead guilds. Holding both roles inevitably leads to conflicts of interest when concerns are raised about somebody in their guild.

    The truth is, the server will not die without Tim. There are some very talented people on the staff who will be more than capable of taking on new roles and responsibilities. No one person needs to take on everything that Tim currently does, and nor should they; it wouldn't solve anything to replace one "hero" with another "hero". Instead, there needs to be a leader leading a team.

    A great leader is:

    - Somebody who can empower a team to do great work.
    - Somebody who listens to their team and includes them in decision making.
    - Somebody who behaves professionally at all times.
    - Somebody who knows how to keep their leadership role and personal relationships separate.

    A great leader is not:

    - A hero who works more hours than anybody else.
    - A hero who has worked somewhere for more years than anybody else.
    - A hero who stays up all hours to do their job.
    - Somebody who relies on veto powers to push agendas.
    - Somebody who threatens to leave if the team doesn't agree with them.

    If Tim cares about this server, then he would train some other current staff members in aspects of his role and then step down. There are some great people on the staff, several of whom would make an amazing staff team leader.

    Thanks though Tim for everything you've done for this server. You've done an amazing job, and nobody can take that away from you, and I don't think anybody would want to take that away from you. It's impressive that you've been on the staff for 6 years; many people burn out long before that.

    Edit: I just googled the term "hero leader" and this was the first result. Read the bits in bold, doesn't it all sound just so familiar? https://leadchangegroup.com/5-mistakes-of-the-hero-leader-2/
     
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    I think he did deserve this unban as you Sharon should be the one banned with Shin. Nobody has the right to talk shit about ppl from the country i live. Nobody should be racist in ANY moment.

    I wanna forget this thread existed as I wanna forget that some bad people exists in this server.
    Peace and cya in a million years.
     
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    I'd like to supplement Joez post by adding this,
    doxing2.png
    Source : https://singaporelegaladvice.com/law-articles/laws-penalties-doxxing-singapore-examples/

    Posting people's picture with the intention to humiliate them on a public platform without consent, I don't know what would you call that, but sounds like doxxing to me.
     
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    Excuse me? I never told him he’s a monkey.
    And tbh, for me, in my language, monkey means same as being dumb.
    Once again I never said it! So stop assuming stupid shit

    I aint an angel but I’m not racist and you’re supporting sexual harassment
     
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    Don't you think its weird that certain ex-gms and even a forum moderator shown disdain on the way tim has handled certain situations? It means something is wrong. This thread shouldnt be locked until tim comes back and answers people. Many people here have made great posts with great questions. Also, thinking a report was made out of revenge doesnt change what he said or how he acted so now what? I just think the way tim handled this situation was wrong, and im pretty sure everyone can see his favouritism. I mean, remember the dimitri situation...? Are we really wrong to question his judgement..?
     
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    The Forum Mods don't intend to lock this thread as it contains many valuable feedbacks

    However, the Forum Mods will be actively moderating such as removing comments that are just pure flaming or personal insults instead of pointing out what went wrong or what can be improved

    There are a few players that tried to create more chaos using this thread and necessary actions have been taken against them
     
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    I'm not going to read through all of this again to find it, but wasn't somebody's full name also posted in a guild chat or something? Is that what I read? If so, then that is also doxxing. Any staff member who can't see that doxxing took place is too lost in a conflict of interest to be a staff member here any longer.

    I reckon it's been going on for years. The current issue seems to be the straw to injure the camel's back, and hopefully it will be the straw to break the camel's back so that the elephant being held hostage by the camel can escape and we can all go back to killing snails, mushrooms, and slimes in a server where everybody can feel safe and respected.
     
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    I'm not supporting anything and you should know how ppl feels when they are being called a monkey or some other stuff spilled off there. I'm not defending anyone, but nobody has the right to talk shit about ppl because he's from another country (which IS RACISM). Both sides are wrong in this and consider lucky I haven't heard this before, because I'd make a report in less than a minute.
    Now I get the time limit and after all these, i think it's fair. Also stop blaming just one side when both of them are wrong.
     
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    The word you are looking for is prejudice and getting a monkey pet which in most cultures would imply "dumb" is a far cry from the universal language of sexually harassing women for their instagram.
     
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    Btw Mr. @Tim I had my monkey pet ever since I made this char.
    Can you please don’t accuse me of stuff you dunno? Seriously, you are no better than Raony. Saying that I’m toxic and shit while your friend is doing horrible stuff and you’re backing him up.
    That’s something that can’t be done. You said we harassed poor raony and that him doxxing me made him cry. Oh no! Poor little boy :(
    Time to be a man and stand by your ridiculous behavior Tim. I had so much respect for you and it’s all dead and gone.
     
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