So I am attempting to grasp the principle of HP Washing my future night lord. *I want to be able to survive Zak and Horntail without depending on HB. No need to be extreme, I just want the bare minimum to survive without dying. *And I also want to finish Washing at as low a level as possible, to be able to get it out of the way and start enjoying the character's damage etc... Is washing identical in all levels 1-200 or is it more efficient when washed in higher levels? For example, if I were to HP/MP wash at lvls 1, 30, 70, 120, 190 etc... would I gain more HP/MP per wash at the higher lvls or not? Also, any other HP/MP washing tips for NL would be greatly appreciated!!! Thank you so much and have a happy new year!
For NLs it does not matter at which level you choose to wash. The only thing that matters is your int while MP-washing. So indirectly the level matters, but only due to the amount of INT. Some classes [NOT NL]with skills that give you more HP or MP will be affected by the level of the skill, thus being indirectly affected by level. Tips for washing a NL. (No prioritized order). This is a rant of my tips and opinions. 1. INT equips at each level up will save you in the long run. You will be able to sell these equips when done washing. So you won't neccesarily lose mesos on them. 2. MW at lvl up matters only if you have a decent amount of INT. MW is based on your base INT. You need at least 110 base INT to have the opportunity to gain 2 extra MP at lvl up. 3. Understand the difference between TOTAL-MP and EXTRA-MP. This is the essence of HP-washing. 4. Don't follow a guide. This is based on point 3. It may take 10 minutes to follow a guide. But time and time again people on the forums say that they "followed X-guide and now I don't know what to do". If you instead spend a couple of hours to actually learn what is going on, and make your own calculations. It will save you from a lot of uncertainty later on. Spoiler: Don't misunderstand You should of course use guides to learn. But don't use the step-by-step guides and expect everything to work. I reccomend to learn through the guide, and then make your own individual plan, that you actually understand. 5. After you know tip 4. You can use a calculator to get the most cost-efficient way to your goal. The calculators (AFAIK) are for cost-efficiency. You can reach your goal in countless other ways than what the calculator rccomends. Do a rough double-check and calculate your own path and see if it matches the calculator. 6. You do not have to wash all your EXTRA-MP. If you want to be as cost-effective as possible, of course you want to hit your MP-goal spot on. But having more MP doesn't mean you have to wash it. The cost of reseting 50 additional INT is not that expensive, compared to the actual HP-washing. Even though you might not want to wash it right now. You might want to later. Spoiler: Rant I have started to rant myself into my own perfectionism. Save me (its 5 AM) This is only a tip for people who are afraid of not having the opportunity to get 30k HP. 7. HAVE FUN. Don't do it if you hate it. 8. Getting enough HP for HT does not require you to leech your way to 135. You can enjoy your character at any point, though with a slight decrease in damage. Follow TIP 1-5 and you will be able to hatch a plan that fits your needs. 9. Use your level-up AP to HP wash when you can. If you have enough extra-MP you should always put your AP into HP. This gives on average more HP than simply washing with AP-resets. Feel free to ask any question and I will answer as good as I can. We all have to start out somewhere Happy new year and enjoy mapling!
Thank you so much for this great detailed answer! I'll try to ask questions about the things I am not sure of: 1. INT eqps at each lvl, do I start at lvl 10 or is it possible to do at maple island, when should I start wearing gear? 2. What is MW? 3. I believe there is an equation to calculate this your level x 14 + something like that right? and then u know how much mp you can switch to hp(wash) 4. So, as far as I know now, it should go something like this: I put all ap into INT until I reach 140 INT and then stop (not forgetting the 25dex req). Next stage is to use lvl up ap to MP wash(can I do it at a really low lvl like 40-50 or is it gonna be less good?). And I just do this regardless of my level or job adv until I have enough extra MP to get my target HP (i.e 9k) and then wash even at a low lvl like 60? The thing I'm confused about is, why do people wash until lvl 100+? Is it better than doing it much earlier? Because if I either mp or hp wash every single ap I get once I reach 140 raw INT, it seems that it should be done much earlier than lvl 100+ isn't it? or maybe my calculation is off. Please let me know!! Btw my individual plan is to have the bare minimum needed to survive HT without dying (even if I can't touch the mob center, I can dark sight and move passed it no?) 6. I don't even wanna get close to 30k HP, I really want the bare minimum. I don't need to tank ht 3 times on a row, all I really need is the bare minimum HP needed to confidently survive HT, as I said I don't need to tank too much, I'm perfectly fine with moving passed his center with dark sight(if that helps I never did ht so idk) 7. Totally! The whole fun of maplestory is to enjoy the game 9. I will briefly describe exactly what my goal is: I wanna finish washing ASAP, at lvl 50 even if it is possible(not sure if it is). I want bare minimum hp to survive HT. I am funded so I think I will be fine with the cost, and I can always pause if I need to make more money and continue once I make enough to pay for it I really, really appreciate your answer. You seem to know a lot about it, I am reading guides but there are missing points in my understanding of it which is why I asked the community TY!
1. There are surely some INT equips in Maple Island that you can obtain. (Cannot confirm) But I do not believe this will be worth the time. Be sure to put INT in your first stats, from lvl 1-5 you only put into INT, so that you gain some MP for the early levels, you can thereafter put some points to get 25 DEX. Be sure to job-advance at level 10 and not later. As a thief you gain more HP than a beginner. You will get off Maple Island at level 7, you can then put on a lvl 0 sword scrolled with int. Most people skip this and simply use the lvl 8 wand which is easier to obtain, but you would lose one level up. Just search the forums and you will find many posts about INT washing equips. Put them on as early as you can. Alchemist rings are expensive, but can be worn at level 10, and you can have 4. I think you get the point. 2. MW= Maple Warrior. If I say MW10 or MW20, does it ring a bell? It is a party buff all classes get at fourth job, it increases your base stats by a %. MW10 gives 5% increase, and MW20 gives 10% increase. Hardcore washers often require their leech seller to have MW20, if you have 400 base INT, you will with MW20 gain 40 additional INT, these 40 points of INT will contribute in increasing your MP when leveling up. With 40 additional INT from MW20, you will gain 4 EXTRA-MP each time you level up. If your goal is 140 INT, you will from MW20 gain an additional 14 INT, which will be an additional 1-2 EXTRA-MP each level up. Depending on the total INT you have, as you probably already now you gain 1 mana from 10 INT. 9 INT is the same as 0 INT, and 10 INT is the same as 19 INT. MW will ONLY and ONLY affect your MP when you level up. You might believe that activating MW while MP-washing is a good idea. Sure, but it will NOT make a difference. 3. The formula for thieves is 156 + 14*level. So you compare this number, e.g. at lvl 100 is 1556MP, to the mana on your mana-bar, but be sure that you have no equips that give you mana on, as they could make it seem like you have more mana than you actually have. 4. This seems like a plan that would work. To reach your goals as early as possible you should HP-wash at every level up you can. You need 12 EXTRA-MP to wash for the first time. So you will be able to do your first HP-wash from fresh AP at lvl 7-8 when you are off Maple Island. This you can probably only do once though, and you would be out of EXTRA-MP. (If you somehow got godly equips giving you 50 INT on Maple Island you could of course wash more), but you will probably be able to HP-wash once at lvl 8. Then you have 4 AP left, which you could MP-wash. If you have 30 INT, you could MP-wash 4 times and gain 4*3=12 EXTRA-MP. This is a very inefficient MP-wash which I do not reccomend, but you could of course do it if you wish. The point here is that you should HP-wash your AP if you have 12 or more EXTRA-MP. And MP-wash into INT if not. In the early levels most people skip the MP-wash, but if you wish to reach your goal 1% faster, go ahead. It is up for you to decide when it's worth to MP-wash. It could be when you reach 60 INT, then you will gain 6 EXTRA-MP per wash. The cheapest method is surely to MP-wash when you have 140 INT. Choosing when to start MP-washing you would have to decide for yourself. What to do with your AP before you hit 140 INT: HP-Wash whenever you can, if not, MP-wash(if you think it's worth it), if it's not worth it, put it into INT. When you reach 140 INT, and that is your INT-goal, you can start MP-washing immediately, it does not matter if you are level 30 or 200. At this point you will MP-wash every time you level up, and put the stat into LUK/DEX. Spoiler: Quick Example Let's say you have 140 INT at lvl 30, and MP-wash every level until 50. You would gain 14*5*20=1400 MP from washing. 14*20=280 MP from leveling. And assuming 100 INT in equips, 10*20 = 200 MP from equips. MW20, would give you 1-2, lets say 1.4 MP on avg pr lvl, so 1.4*20 = 28 mana. This totals 1400+280+200+28=1908EXTRA-MP. Additionally you have gained some extra-MP before level 30. You would have to total this up, but let's assume you manage 2500 EXTRA-MP by level 50. Since 2500 isn't too much you can atually HP-wash it all with fresh AP. The formula for extra HP-gain would therefore be 2500* 20/12 = 4167 HP. If money is no issue though, you could MP-wash into INT from lvl 30-50. You would then end up with 240 INT at lvl 50.Your average INT would be 190 from 30-50, and your MP from washing would instead be 19*5*20 = 1900 MP. This is 500 more than the previous example, and would get you 500*20/12 = 844 more HP, bringing the total extra HP to 5000.(remember to use your fresh-AP to HP-wash all levels after level 50) Now at level 50 you can reset ALL your INT to LUK, and know that you are able to wash an extra 5000 HP, and you will be able to enjoy the game as a INTless NL, the reason people don't do this, is because it is expensive. It is cheaper to have e.g 100 INT for 100 levels, than 200 INT for 50 levels. Keep in mind you should also wear INT-equips while leveling when possible after level 50, if you have 100 INT on equips, you will always gain 10 EXTRA-MP for each level up. If you do this for another 100 levels, that would be 10*100=1000 EXTRA MP, which with HP-washing from fresh AP, would be 1000*20/12 = 1667 HP. And you of course have the HP-quest and some equips that give HP. Let's add another 750 HP on top of this. BOOM you now have 5000+1667+750 = 7417 extra HP. At level 135 A thief has naturally 20*135+378 = 3078 HP. You should now have 10500 HP by level 135. job advacements also give some HP, so lets say you have 11000 by 135. Now you should be ready to fight most bosses in the game. Even though you removed all your INT at lvl 50. Keep in mind this is a very expensive route. Do these calculations thouroughly when the time comes, and always keep an eye on your MP, don't remove your INT before you know that you have enough extra-MP. The reason people wash at lvl 100+ is cost. The spoiler above explains it. Additionally many players don't even consider NL's being anything before level 135, and intend on leeching their NL's till 120 or 135 anyways. It does not hurt them to have 100 INT till 135, cus they won't use their NL anyways. 6. You would have to ask someone else about mechanics in HT. I have heard 12.5k is bare miniumum, but this I would have to research more. 9. I believe my example covered it, and if you have the funds, it should be no problem. Cheers.
If you are a mage yeah, MP washing is indeed more efficient at higher levels since you'd have higher base INT. For HP washing the level doesn't matter though As for NL, the MP washing is the most efficient when you are finished with your base INT and don't plan to add anymore of it. As for the HP it's better at low levels cause you need to do level up APs so it's best to start early (and also to be able to tank zak to get zhelm at lvl 50)
