v83

This is so frustrating, if we're going to v83 then why didn't you guys make this server v83 in the first place??? I'm just so lost right now... I have almost no desire to even play or long in anymore because what's the point???? Also, while v83 has a ton of content, you know how much of a bitch it's going to be to fix everything? Argh, I'm just done... T.T

 

Hey, everyone - my name is William. I hope you're having a good day. <3

Wow, so I just finished reading all the comments, which took me about an hour after 12 pages and interchanging between my 94, well now 95 Dragon Knight on our beloved server.

I'm another one of those longreads, I think. If you want the short of it, I'll give you a tl;dr at the end because I know the feels of being confronted with a wall of text. I'm going to try my hardest to add a bit of a twist to the opinion pool here so I'd appreciate it if you give it a read. And I'll highlight the topic of each block. Before I get into it, I'm probably not known by many but I like to pretend a few people know my name around here now so I hope you give my opinion some merit.

There's a few MAIN topics I see that are circulating this whole concept and my opinion has been broken, reforged and remolded quite a few times while reading all of this. But what it comes down to, as I see it is this; the feeling of wasted efforts put into a character that's going to be reset, it appears that the grass is greener on the other source, a degree of nostalgic feeling is going to be lost, there's not enough content in the current version, and OG's have an advantage over the newcomers due to past patches.

Well, let's give it a shot. First of all, I want to talk about The stability of the current source, and the vision of a v83 source which is more stable. Here's the thing folks, you've got to make it what you want, there's no shortcut. In the private server world you start off with a base and it's full of bugs, you work on it and over time you remove all the bugs. There's no perfect base. And in fact, a v83 in riddled with them. It may have more (from what I know, it does) or it may have less! But either way, several months and countless hours of time and effort and hair-ripping frustration has been poured into this base to make it what it is today. And it's still not perfect, but it gets better and better. If you think the grass is greener on the other side you're in for a big shock. Here's the reality: GMS had it perfect, you know that it can be done. For every version. If you want to start over with v83 you'll be confronted with bugs you've fixed and bugs you haven't.

Secondly, there's the issue of content. At endgame in v62 - or so I'm told, we don't have a lot of options. There's not many places to level, not many bosses to hunt, and not many things to do. For me, it was the quests that brought it home, 7 years ago I was all about that life. In every game it's been the quests, and the conversation. I'm not a competitive gamer. But I'm also not the majority of gamers. But the majority isn't more important than the minorities, you need to relate to every single demographic. The first step to improving levels of enjoyment is to check what systems should be in place, for the version you're in and if there is bugs, they need to be fixed. Yes, there are difficult bugs. But they've been fixed, and can be fixed again. It will take lots of time, but you can in fact solve these issues with the dedication you guys have shown over the past few months. After that, take a look at what can be implemented. If you're stuck with not enough content, maybe v83 is the solution.. to be touched on more later.

It appears to me that I'm hearing a lot about the OG players having the upperhand. But I'm hearing that more from the staff team than the community. I never hear outcries in game, where the masses of players are hiding. For a server free of any PvP system and a not-too-enticing CPQ this isn't a major factor. Yes they benefited in the past, GOOD! They should! They chose a good time to plant their crop, which was months ago. They've reaped the rewards. It's not taking from my experience, nor many others.

The biggest concern I think is the loss of nostalgic feeling in the target market, the player, who seeks that. I quit MS and I don't remember when, I grew out of it. I came back to it later a few times. Each time with less interest. The item making REALLY excited me, actually. I found that an ENGAGING, NEW experience. And I still had the nostalgia playing my common classes. Yes some people won't like it, and I'm sorry about that. There's a 'perfect' version of MS out there in everyone's mind and we can't relate to them all. But a lot of fun is still going to happen in a v83 just like a v62. And when you come to a private server, the dominating factor is enhanced experience. So you may reach a tier of gameplay you never reached. And experience a playing style you didn't before so the nostalgia really will be lost eventually. You have to ask yourself what's making you play.

Second only to the nostalgia, and more important for me, is the feeling of wasted time and effort on a character that's about to get wiped. This is offensive. There's no other word for it. It's downright inappropriate and wrong. A server shouldn't be wiped. Albeit, duped items may be removed. But you don't wipe a server. If you bring it back to square one, people will open their eyes and weigh the options again. I started playing World of Warcraft in grade 10, when I started I knew I would never be able to achieve certain things, acquire certain items, or experience certain content. I was late. They didn't wipe and restart in vanilla for me. That would be bizarre. You roll with the punches and enjoy what you have. No successful organization in the gaming community resets their players hard earned rewards. They worked for it, and dedicated themselves to your server. Don't slap them in the face after getting into bed with them. (Unless it's appropriate, and many situations call for that, but there's a time and a place.)

TL; DR/summup
I strongly believe that at this point the decision has been made. A wipe, or reset, or an upgrade is occurring. And to be downright honest I don't doubt for a second it will be a wipe and an upgrade. I'm not sugarcoating it - I doubt the opinion of the many matters here.
So the only situation that's going to lead to overall acceptance and understanding in my opinion, based on my experiences over the years, as gamer, observer, programmer, server owner, game master, administrator and what have you - is that you should upgrade to v83 if you're stuck in your ways and you KEEP the players. It's a database, I don't care if it's hard, and neither do the players. They want their experience, they want their items and they want their hard work to remain recognized. If it takes a month to alter the database to associate with a v83 character loader than take a month before you switch, damn it.
And if a switch is occurring, you alpha test (friends and family of the staff <3) the SHIT out of that v83, and when you think the alpha test has found all the major bugs you know what you do next? You BETA test it (open beta for all of the community) for another period of time until the PLAYERS are satisfied with the level of efficiency involved in completely re-envisioning the world they've dedicated their spare time to.


P.S. Edit: One final note, and I know you're all sick of hearing from me. Yes, it would be an unfortunate circumstance for newcomers and the newer players if you don't wipe everyone down on a new server with lower rates. But like I said, they got to that level so be it that's where they are. It's not THEIR fault you feel the need to reduce the rates. They didn't ask for it, and if they did, they certainly didn't ask for it with these conditions. Yes, they'll have an advantage - but chances are they'll also make new characters to play through the content anyways. In WoW these days everything keeps getting made easier, experience required to level lowered, experience gained increased - yeah it's upsetting to some who worked for it. But they don't quit, they roll with the punches. It's still MapleRoyals, isn't it? If I'm a level 96 (just dinged guys go me!) dragon knight in MapleRoyals, I want to be a level 96 dragon knight in MapleRoyals. Damn the context, and the exp rates. That's what I worked for.

P.S. Christine, I love you. Kris you never shut up. And swag over everything. Good night folks.

 

This is how I feel too.

The best part is that this is being said by a player who is on the other side of things because he DOESN'T have the advantages that old players worked for. Key words: worked for. But thankfully, Bill is a reasonable guy and understands that we deserve these advantages! It's not like a few players were randomly selected and given OP gear. Hey guess what, when I first joined it took me like a month to get to 120 because there were lots of bugs, almost no one to leech off of, certain amazing maps like Himes were undo-able because there were only 2 people who could kill Black Crow and one was a hacker, the no drops/exp problem was hella rampant compared to nowadays, tons of bugged quests, lots of server downtime and lots more. But am I requesting that new players be nerfed? No. And the worst part is that all GMs know it's some bullstank that they're going to wipe us, but it seems like there's nothing we can do to convince them otherwise.

 

very well said, and yes i know i tend to ramble on and never shut up. sorries.

 

I see a lot of people complaining about that we lose a lot of players wiping the server but what they seem to forget is that it will also bring a lot of new players. Maybe not in a second but patience is a virtue.

 

id you'd take GMs not just because they're your friends but because they're good coders/programmers, you wouldn't have this wiping problem. what's stopping us from leaving now? there are plenty of v83 servers ranked better than this one in gtop100 and UPS.
players are already leaving, in fact as im writing this there are 21 players online when usually there's 40+ in this hour. and it's sunday...

upgrading to v83 may solve some issues, but wiping our work? nope.

 

None of this even makes sense. Later the new comers will just complain about the same thing. 1) What happened to BPQ? APQ? GPQ? 2) Why fix whats not broken? 3) How long have most of you been here? how hard have you worked? how many times have you voted to make this server what it is? 4) SO this basically saying to the players who've been here, our hard work means nothing. I specifically remember complaining about the PQ's not working now there's an option of a wipe and upgrade? Its just stupid in my opinion. Lastly, We joined a v62 server to play v62. If you don't have your word, You have nothing. Loyalty over everything. Shocked, Offended, Indifferent, this shouldn't even be a poll.

 

Yeahhh... sorry our patience is worn thin after we worked for 4 months only to be told it was all for naught... seems more than reasonable to me? And cutting the server pop to a third in 2 days is not a good sign.

 

That is the point I'm trying to make...but they are more balanced then in this version. Rather than just going lukless and effortlessly getting Ele Wands at 130 they have to actually try a bit harder.

 

Tired of all the whining about wiping... I quit because there's no end game fun after zak, V83 offers that. The only people I see crying are the ones that took advantage of the Ws's in gach and chaos scrolls so they have there gear. Just because you grind for hours doesn't mean you worked hard for those items. It just means you had an advantage over others making grinding even easier. I played like 2 weeks and got a 137 DK playing maybe 3 hours a day. There's no hard work it's called memories quit acting like your gonna play Maplestory forever. I played wow throughout Wrath and killed the LK, woah and I quit, I put a year into that back a couple years ago but I'm not whining cats came out, and now panda. Life goes on. Ppl that say hard work and are Lvl 100 and lower it's not hard. Ppl 150+ it's not hard work it's called you play more that's all. It's a 10x server. If this was 1x then ya whine but v62 is broken with bishops making money easy, monsters drop too much nx. 25k with my bishop in 2 hours at gs2 giving me gacha quicker which is just time consuming not hard work. Just quit bitching, go to v83 wipe everyone and make it a 3x server but allow 2x every 4 hour coupons to work. Leave scissors so zak helms won't cost apples same with scallion and targa there's more grinding areas there's more content and more things to do.

 

Jake, you asked people who are lower than lvl 140 not to say the server is fine the way as it is. No probs with that. However, since Bishop isn't your favourite and long term main character class, and aren't going to be affected by changes to Bishops beyond the change in party exp formula, (which I personally support, but ymmv), so I'd be very appreciative if you could leave this discussion to the gms and to those who are affected by it. Bishops not being able to use ele wands isn't going to make the slightest difference to your main character gameplay.

 

First off, the current v83 sources are basically about the same stability/issues as your sources at the moment, MoopleDEV may have more content, but the performance/stability of it? Not that much of a difference. Valhalla v83 may be about the only exception here, but it also has its flaws, and that is content. There is barely any content on the source. There won't be much of a difference, you'll be going through months of fixing up bugs anyway in either version (which we basically already went through, and are still going through now). Despite that, I still think it would be a 50/50 gamble by changing to v83.

By switching to v83, you'll have competitors, way more than the current v62 servers. I don't mean to advertise, but you have a server like MapleDestiny who already has that 100 player base, and by switching you'll lose quite a few players, which can drop you down. I don't really count high-rate servers as a competition since if players want high-rate, they can just go to another server, and have about the same gameplay as usual for high-rate servers. But, even then, you still have to think of them as competition because they have high player bases as well (which can steal some of your players, due to friends, etc).

BUT despite all that, you can still make the change to v83, and be successful in getting players if you have the right content, and everything a player wants fixed up, then it may be good for the server to change. The change to v83 might be better in the long run, so it might be a better choice to change to it just because of the advantages in the long run.

Now onto the actual gameplay advantages of v83, there is pink bean, there is other bosses, more endgame features, etc. It would be good to have all these working, so people have more things to do rather than hit around 150-170, get godly, go to zakum, be able to kill it quickly with a small group, and then just fm whore all day because you don't want to quit since the community is rather nice or create a new character and do the same thing. It'd be nice to have more things to do.

The only thing I didn't really like were cygnuses. People were pointing out that it wasn't too bad, made the gameplay longer, but the thing is, their mobbing skills are so overpowered in PQs, it's annoying. CPQ may not be competitive now (since it isn't fully working anyway), but back in the day, people use to use curses 24/7, and cygnuses were a big contributor to that. It was even more annoying with cygnuses using it 24/7. But, despite that, it still was an okay of an idea for people who wanted less of a challenge to reach the top level, and deal quite a bit of damage. Arans were okay in my opinion, they were just overpowered in the fact that they were the new job after all.

In conclusion, the change to v83 would be better in the long run, but v62 would please most of the people now (but would be complaining later on anyway, since the game would basically be finished once horntail is fixed and people are able to beat it).

And oh, to answer @gamefreakjls, 150+ is not hard work on a 10x server sure, I agree and all, but the amount of work they put into making their godly items, and the people that reached 200, would be a waste of time to them if it was all just wiped anyway. You may think it'd be easy considering you can just NX farm with your bishop or whatever, but the amount of time you put in? It'd all go to waste.

 

I'm pickin' up what you're throwin' down, but this entire thread is a poll about the opinions of the players on a switch to v83, so I'm not going to pipe down just because our opinions clash.

Literally, the ONLY direct nerf to Bishops is that going lukless in v83 isn't as easy. That's it. Its not like your damage will get halved, you can still be very effective lukless even being capped at a Shine Wand. You are still a necessity at boss runs. You still level insanely fast. I don't see how losing Ele Wands is gamebreaking for Bishops, it simply gives people a reason to play the Archmage classes (which, at the moment, there is literally no reason to do as Bishops do everything they do and more, and are better at it.)

 

one thing i'd like to point out to everyone saying they wasted their time leveling/gearing if they do a wipe. in my opinion, if you had fun playing and interacting with the community while leveling/gearing, then it wasn't really wasted time.

 

you haven't achieved shit, you're just another hypocrite cuz your opinion would be different if you had something to lose. just stfu.

 

I've only been here a couple a weeks and even i think a wipe is very very wrong. All i have to lose is labout 1 bilion mesos, about another billion in items and a level 105 cb.

many people have like 50 times more than that to lose, so i think it's just a tad unfair to those people.

 

i'll post what i want, when i want. if you don't like it, don't read it.

i never said that i didnt think that it wasn't unfair. simply that i don't view it as wasted time.

 

Time to end this game. Thanks for playing