Closed Ban Appeal for Player: Grovsnus

Grovsnus (a guild member of mine) is unable to post a ban appeal of his own as he is unable to verify/confirm his account to login and post any threads. So I'm submitting this ban appeal on behalf of him.

Grovsnus' ban appeal in his own words:
IGN:Grovsnus
Last thing you did:Went to GS2 Map
Why do you think you got banned?:No idea
Ban message when attempting to log in: Suspicious Activity
What GM banned you (optional): Sila

I talked with Silachan in-game via whisper, and she said it was suspicious that a player who started only a few days ago would generate such an enormous sum of money with only a sole character and that character being in the 60's. She said that the fact that he was offering 150 mill per hour for leech at Ghost Ship 2 was suspicious enough. She went on to say that there were a lot of dupers on Royals recently, implying that she thought Grovsnus was one of them.

Although, I can relate to Silachan's suspicions in-regards to the amount of money Grovsnus generated in his current position right now. I feel as if adequate research was not done. Without solid proof and evidence that Grovsnus cheated/hacked, I do not think it's fair to ban him. Having a system that protects the innocents more than it punishes offenders, will make the community more relaxed and at ease. If Grovsnus was not actually hacking then all you have done was punish someone for making money and that's unacceptable. What I see this as is a bigot cop looking at a black man and finds that he is quite well and arrests him thinking that the only way for a black guy to be rich is by peddling drugs without evidence. Suspicions are okay but banning without solid evidence or trial is not.

Hearing Grovsnus' story this is the huge key events that happened (of which he could remember):
1. He gacha'ed a pgc and sold it for 350 mill+.
2. Sold 3-4 colored bandanas for 900k each and sold them for 3-4 mill.
3. Sold AP resets for 9 mill.
4. Received Red sock from the event and sold it for 600 mill.
5. Bought FaceStompers and resold them from 200 mill more than he bought them for.
6. Bought White Scrolls for 300 mill and sold them for 350 mill.
7. Did a similar thing with Chaos scrolls as he did with White Scrolls.
8. Recieved an 7 att wg from me among other freebies and sold it.
9. Recieved other freebies and sold them.
10. His friend in real life succesfully scrolled a 29 dex overall and gave Grovsnus 50-100 mill.
11. He scrolled and sold a maple polearm (60 mill), and a Christmas spear (50 mill).
12. Thought he was scammed by the player Dahz for 100 mill but Dahz came back and reimbursed him 250 mill (150 mill profit (Dahz you da real mvp)).
13. Scrolled and sold a face mask for 70 mill.

He's extremely confident in his innocence that he urges you to see the files and see for yourself if he used any hacks with raw data. I urge you to lift up the ban until you can give evidence that he did hack.

It's fair to say that he got to the position he is at with beginners' luck with scrolling, gachaing, and receiving presents, donations from generous, nice people, and shrewd marketing skills.

 

I'm horrible with tech stuff so I have no clue if this is possible but aren't there some files that you could check like his trading history?

And again, having a system where GMs care more about punishing wrong doers than protecting innocent people from false accusations is not a safe path to go.

Grovsnus is not a convicted illegal player so he remains innocent until he's proven guilty.

 

We keep a regular look-out for players with suspicious amounts of mesos because we want to protect the economy from dupers and meso sellers/buyers. If he can offer up actual evidence to prove his innocence, then fine, but if we find something highly suspicious, it's in the interest of the server as a whole for us to swing the banhammer then investigate. If you knew how little time it takes for someone to inject large quantities of illegitimate mesos or items into the market, you'd understand why we prefer to err on the side of caution.

 

Fair enough, but has the investigation began? I believe having a staff that handles bans with urgency will make players feel as if their GMs are working for them. Although, there may be other more pressing issues, wouldn't it be in the best interest of the server to see if Grovsnus is guilty ASAP?

 

Yup, so let's have some screenshots from him of those items and trades, please?

 

He didn't take screenshots because he didn't think he would get banned...
Is it mandatory for players to take screenshots for big purchases and financial benchmarks to prove their innocence? (A lot of us haven't even had that cross our minds.)
And isn't the GMs' job to investigate? Asking for screenshots takes out all the work... all you have to do at that point is just look at it and say yay or nay. Of course, I'm saying this because I have the understanding that GMs and such have access to files and data. If this is not the case, then of course this would be one of the few ways to do things. However, if a GM has the gall to suspect a player of illegal behavior, they should bear the responsibility to find evidence (a sole character in its 60's with a considerable amount of money and great equips, is something that raises up flags but it alone is not evidence) to prove that the player is guilty. The player accused of such behavior should try his utmost best to prove his innocence. As I stated before, Grovsnus urges you to look at files and data if you DO have access to them. He's also confident enough to let GMs and such use TeamViewer to go through his computer to find out if he has any illegal maple software. He's also willing to skype with GMs to talk to them himself.
His words:
"I mean, I understand their things about cancelling me before it's too late and all. Because if someone would hack meso, that would ruin the whole economy. But then make me get a screenshot from trades. I mean cmon, who takes pictures of their trades. I honestly don't have any screenshots of me selling any item. Only funny screenshots, etc. I mean, I don't take screenshots at every trade I do, so it's kind of weird to just ask for that and suddently force me to have them or get perm ban. Pretty ridiculous.
I believe in that thing you said Puddings about innocent till proven guilty. I mean can't they just check me all the time if that's the problem. Have a GM check my trading things and god, I don't know what to type but, this is so weird that they don't even trying to understand the situation and just being selfish and just push the problem away. And don't care at all. That's how it feels like. And I mean, if I were another player and read this, I wouldn't feel safe at doing anything anymore. Not get attention in anyway.
I don't really know man
I can't type this stuff good in english
I really just wanna talk to them in skype or something
I havn't hacked in any way, god damnit. Can I have them on Teamviewer and check every history on my computer and do I need a screenshot of me not restoring my PC or wth is this."
So, let's see some GMs finding their own evidence, please?

Luckily I do have one screenshot at.... http://s79.photobucket.com/user/pud...[user]=142339448&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0

I don't know if this incident will prove anything but Grovsnus had a sky ski he wanted to White Scroll so he dropped it with about 1 or 2 white scrolls with 1 or 2 10%s, they all failed. Grovsnus said he'd be back to get more White Scrolls and 10%s from FM and promptly disappeared. He came back a good while later and the same process happened, sadly none of the 10%s worked. Players who were there: Puddings (me), isarah (sandra), Aram and Killhaho. Edit: This is not only a case defending Grovsnus' innocence. Grovsnus is the posterchild for all falsely accused players. How you treat this case will reflect how you will treat and handle all future cases.

And on a sidenote, Grovsnus was unable to confirm his forum account to post a ban appeal for himself because the verification/confirmation did not send to his email and so he created a new forum account not knowing that he could only have one but even that account's verification/confirmation did not send to his email.
The two forum accounts he made are: Kevin Borén and Grovsnus. He would be fine with having "Kevin Borén" deleted and removed.

 

Grovsnus is not a poster child for anything, especially since some of the information you've given us is pretty dodgy. Would you like to explain how he managed to scroll a Sky Ski when he is only level 63 and doesn't have the Legendary Spirit skill?

 

My apologies, I thought I wrote that he dropped the Sky Skis, white scrolls and 10%s for me to scroll for him. Actually, I should add that Grovsnus wanted Aram to scroll it for him first but resorted to me when he found out that Aram was not a warrior. If this still seems dodgy, please contact isarah, aram, and killhaho for confirmation. I gave a considerable amount of info which came from the horse's mouth before (which you haven't criticized as being inconsistent) but having one inconsistency in the ski sky story does not make my info as a whole dodgy. One misplaced brick does not bring down the whole house.

And I'm guessing that the only reason you disagree with me calling Grovsnus the poster child for falsely accused players is because it's too early to prove his innocence.

I hope whoever turns out to be wrong will swallow their pride and sincerely apologize.

I still don't know why you haven't tried to contact Grovsnus yourselves.

 

Screen shot of Aram's account of the sky ski story... http://s79.photobucket.com/user/pud...[user]=142339448&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=0

 

Grovsnus has 1,647,446,449 in his inventory, and 855,593,093 in storage.
zero alternate accounts, just one mule on the same acc with no Meso.
16k in NX on his character, he has voted for NX 9 times in total.
He has a pet, and a merchant, and including the other NX items he has it tallies up to 36,300 NX spent on clothes, pet and merchant.
Which means he could've spent 19.7k NX on AP resets- which totals to 54mil.
He also has not done the mom & dad quest for the event, so there's no extra NX from that.

Red socks do not sell for 600mil. They sell for no more than the mid 400s, so let's be generous and say he sold one for 450mil even IF he managed to get one within a week of the event (Since he joined the 31st of December).

That's 500mil.
Clean facestompers go for about 400-450mil.
White scrolls and chaos scrolls also sell for about 400mil currently.

He would not have been able to buy all of these items.

He also has a 13 att stormcaster glove in his inventory which averaged about 800mil a week ago.
Also has a 6 attack, 3 slot pink gaia cape.

All of this leads to the fact it is basically impossible for a new player to have all of this within a week of joining, no matter how much of a merch you are. The fact he didn't even gach makes this even more unlikely.

He will remain banned, and this thread is closed.