Sorry, but I have a few questions and I'm not very good at calculations (or I didn't read correctly, but I read the guide about 5 times and still don't understand). First off, how much int would be required for a hero to hit max hp by level 130~160 ish? I have heard of some people putting all stats into int and none into str. Is that necessary? Second, how much int would be required for a dark knight to hit max hp with hyper body by level 130~160 ish? Essentially, how many resets would I have to buy to get these jobs to hit max hp, and would I have to add int into base stats (I can probably get about 60~80 int from equips)? Thank You Very Much
So I'm planning on making a night lord and did the counting already but I had a small question. This is the plan, I want to be able to go HT at 155. Therefore I need 4950 clean HP at 155. My minimum HP will be 3478 and my minumum MP will be 2318. Now my question is, the minimum HP and minimum MP, are these fixed numbers? For example if I don't do any hp washing until lvl 155 , will my HP be 3478 for 100% sure or are the HP given every lvl a random number? I'll try to give another example. If I lvl my thief to 155 without wearing any int equip or adding int. Will the mp be 2318 ? making me unable to hpwash any point or will mp added every lvl be random and is 2318 the absolute minimum if you had 0% luck and got the minimum mp added on every lvl? Kinda hard to ask this as you see but I hope you get it.
You also get more HP/MP per class advancement. I'm not sure how much it is exactly or if you're able to wash that extra MP to HP.
Well I will give you all the counting I got to get the exact amount of HP with the least ap resets used. HP needed for HT : ~7.9K to be sure you won't die HP needed for HT with HB: 4950 + (0.6*4950) = 7920 HP HP needed for HT without HB: 4950 HP Min. HP @lvl 155: 20*155+378 = 3478 HP Min. MP @lvl 155: 14*155+148 = 2318 MP HP to wash: 4950 - 3478 = 1472 HP (HP needed at HT - Minimum HP) AP resets needed to wash 1472 HP (best case scenario) : 1472/24 = 62 AP resets AP resets needed to wash 1472 HP (average scenario) : 1472/22 = 67 AP resets AP resets needed to wash 1472 HP (worst case scenario): 1472/20= 74 AP resets Working from the average scenario from now on... 67 AP resets needed. @ +22HP -12MP / AP reset Extra MP needed above your Min. MP: 67*12 = 804 MP How much MP do I need at lvl 155 to wash until I reach 4950 HP?: 2318+804 = 3122 MP How much INT eqps should I wear to reach an extra of 804 mp at lvl 155: 804/145 = 5,54 = at least 6 extra mp/lvl = at least 60 int (notice I used 145 instead of 155 here as you can only start wearing INT equips from lvl 10 on.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This would all be correct as long as the HP and MP added every lvl would be the same for every character who hasn't more than 9 int. If 2 people start a thief, never put anything in INT, lvl their account to lvl 155... will they have the same HP and MP or are random numbers added every lvl ? I don't know the code for that so I'm not able to calculate it. If anyone could provide that information, it would be awesome!
You need a bit more HP than that for HT as a ranged. We suggest 5.6k clean, about 9k with HB- because legs can do a good amount of damage.
The only thing I need to know is what a 155 sin's HP and MP would be without any hp washing done but apparently that's not possible as the numbers are added every level randomly. Watched some old video's and the minimum HP is not the same as your standard HP.
Just like the minimum MP number is not what you'll actually have at a given level, the minimum HP number is not the same either. Instead, that number is where you'll no longer be allowed to remove points from the stat. As i've said several times in this thread, a Bowman needs ~50 washes by 155 to HT, which can be done without int equips or base int besides zhelm and dep star. ~20 base int is nice to be safe. A NL, who gains more HP per level up and more per wash will need even fewer washes (~35) but again, ~20 int + zhelm + dep star is nice to be safe.
Well we used to follow formulae this for Min Threshold of MP to HP wash (X * 14 ) + 148 = Y Where X is ur level Where Y is Min Mp threshold. AND..... There is this another technique. I didn't read the guide thoroughly. So pardon me if its already listed there This is for Characters Who starts HP washing at a very low level. 1. Level Up. Save up your AP. Get INT equips and equip them. Put ur AP into MP [While the INT gears are equipped]. ~the thing happens here is for each +10 INT u get 1 extra MP. So when u wear equips which have +120 INT u get 12 MP. Which is almost another wash.~ 2. AP-RESET ur MP to the main stat [the stat u were gonna put ur AP into in the first place]. 3. Level up a Little more and HP wash normally [Where u Put AP into HP and remove it from MP.] The end result would be u will be able to get more washes as u have bigger base MP. The result would be more amount of washes done.
That post doesn't have anything to do with the discussion going on right now in the thread, and it's covered almost word for word in the original post of the guide. That min Mp formula is only accurate to a few classes. And it's still min-mp, not expected mp.
Maybe organization of that guide is in order? I know the new table function would do wonders for a quick reference. I'll be making one in a few hours if nobody else wants to before that. Those of you who are curious, I gained exactly 319 HP when getting my fourth job as a Buccaneer. Chief Bandit HP Increase: +352
Awesome to see this guide. I just saw a stickied washing one and was going to see if it was better than mine, then see it's based on it.
Cross-posting some discoveries about double washing from http://royals.ms/forum/threads/hp-washing-bug-cant-remove-mp.17991/#post-104237 Due to a bug Royals, if you put points into MP, you can't take them back out until you put at least 1 point into HP. This is why it is different than GMS. Here's how double washing works: GMS: wearing int gear, add 5 points into MP not wearing int gear, reset 5 points out of MP and put into main stat Royals: wearing int gear, add 5 points into MP repeat for x levels add 1 point into HP not wearing int gear, reset 5x + 1 points out of MP and into main stat or, if you are above minimum MP, wearing int gear, add 4 points into MP and 1 point into HP not wearing int gear, reset 5 points out of MP and into main stat The first version is optimal for MP gain, but the second version lets you have all of your AP in your main stat all the time.
Thanks for cross posting. A new study shows that int gear does not affect the amount of MP you get from level-up AP. Your base int, however, does.
If i add 1 point to MP and use a AP reset to removed that point from MP .. "is the same amount of MP .. add and removed? for example, add 1 point to MP i got +10MP, so if I removed i lost -10MP or less??
I'm so unexperienced with this but might something be buggy for my chars? Don't ask me why , i was just trying out but I can't take any mp away from my lvl 127 bishop who's mp is obviously above the min. mp. How is this possible ? I got 11.8K MP so i don't see any reason i could not. btw: could the min mp formula a bit off ? because i got 661 mp on my lvl 37 sin while the min.mp for that lvl is 666
I don't think you can take any points out of MP unless you add a point into HP first. You need to have a point in the hp/mp "pool" in order to be able to take points out. Otherwise you could potentially just take points out of MP and put them into INT or something. I also don't think the min mp formula is off because that's the one I've heard about/been using for years on bowmen/thieves. I've never heard of a different one but I guess I could be wrong. Dunno why your MP is below the minimum.
This might sound silly, but do you have points in HP/MP to take out on your bishop? If thats the case, have you ever added a point to MP? If so try adding one to HP, after which you should be able to take two from MP.
How is it possible I can take a point out of HP on my mage when I never used any ap reset on it nor put a point in hp/mp ???
