Just wondering if there will ever be any changes to the Archer class in the future. Im not asking for a buff to its dps but rather a buff to its hp. What I think about Bowmasters:- DPS: Done. Knockback: Dont care, I'll move. Hp: Sucks. Im currently a lv154 Bowmaster and as I just joined this server a month ago I did not start washing nor did I have the int gear to do so. However, the point is I have 6.3k hp at the moment and this is after having gears like Ephenia's ring, Glittering Altaire Earrings which adds 150hp here and there. I know hp washing is a necessity that everyone has to do on this server to enjoy the opportunity of going for end game bosses but maybe the GMs could do something about the amount of hp washing Archers have to do. For example, to do Shao you would need 12k hp to tank 1 hit from its magic attack. I have 6k hp. How am I going to get another 6k hp to just tank 1 hit from Shao (Arguably not even considered as super end game boss). If the discrepancy was like just 3k hp (9k hp at lvl 15x) that wouldnt be too bad but seems quite absurd to be at lvl 15x and having only 6k hp (50% of the hp required to tank 1 hit from a boss like Shao). I understand that the elixer of life hp daily quest has been buffed for situations like these where unwashed players are able to have the option to not restart their character. But lets face it, assuming +100hp per week, nobody is going to do 15 months of the quest every single day in order to get their hp from 6k to 12k in order to tank 1 hit from Shao. As Staff Incentv said in his reply to the Elixer of Life (lower to lv120) thread, the point of this quest is to allow unwashed players to have a chance of going to end game bosses without having to restart their chars. Why would anyone spend 45minutes a day for 15months straight for 6k hp when they can remake a new char with washing in less than a month? I made a lvl154 Bowmaster with no funds in 29days im sure people could do the same if not better, given that they already have funds on their first char. I hope the GMs could do something about the hp Archers have in general. We dont wanna be just SE pieces of meat. Solution: Make it such that Phoenix/Frostprey becomes a skill where you get +1k hp or +1.5khp whenever its summoned. This way, you kill two birds with one stone (hp buff and also solve the issue of summons being useless since hurricane/strafe outdpses the time spent to summon a phoenix/frostprey). I believe this was the case in maplesea pre bigbang. Ultimately, hp washing is part of the game's culture and to take that away would cause a huge disturbance in the market especially for APRs so just take this with a pinch of salt or just consider it a rant from a noob. Thank you for your time.
Me and everyone else whos done the HP quest everyday for the past 8 month (since release) for ~3.2k hp
Yes sir I applaud you for your effort thus far. However, do note that posting such a meme does not really help in addressing areas of the game which can be improved. I took the time and effort as a new player to make my voice heard for the chance that GMs would look into the matter. If they feel that archer should get a hp buff, good for the community. If they feel that it should stay the same,at least I know I tried to say my piece. You may feel that you have done the hp quest for ages and think that buffing the hp now would downplay your effort for the past few months. That is not the case because if Archers do get a buff, the 3.2k hp you claim to have gained would be an additional bonus to any hp buffs Archers receive. As such, I find it puzzling as to why you would even post such a meme and the only reasons I could come up with are:- 1) You are trying to trivialise my voice as a new player on this server just so you can have some banter for yourself 2) You feel that you spent a lot of time doing hp quest and it is unfair if Archers get a hp buff, you would have wasted a lot of your time doing the hp quest. (Already addressed above) 3) You have nothing better to do with your time. As such I would really appreciate it if you could keep any replies to my thread as either ways to implement such a change or constructive criticism and correct me in any areas I may have undermined or overlooked. Have a good day.
the funny meme raises a legitimate concern of players feeling like their months of grinding to reach their hp goal would be made unnecessary
I've said in the past the HP quest should grant a bit more HP each time. My bowman is washed a quite a decent bit, have pet HP gear and have sacrificed DPS for gear with more HP, and still need the HP quest for months to get up to decent HP. It's just absolute shit how low HP they get naturally. Why not also increase HP for the other HP quest as well so all classes get 1k instead of 500? Warriors get 1000 HP, meanwhile the classes that actually needs it the most only get 500. Could also just increase HP on medals and such things more as well, which would benefit everyone. There are ways of improving the extremely low HP for ranged classes without changing the natural HP formula and turning the effort of washers into wasted time
As I have addressed in my original thread, I am not asking for a buff on Archers which would give us hp to the point we dont even need to hp wash. The suggestion was to make it easier somehow or lessen the effort needed. And as I have addressed in my reply to his meme, people doing the hp quest for long periods of time feeling like their effort is wasted is not a legitimate issue because should GMs feel like my suggestion have some weight to it, they arent going to say "here have 5k-10k more hp on the house" They'll probably add an amount which would be reasonable but at the same time would not affect the integrity of hp washing. If you have been doing the hp quest for a long time, good on you because whatever effort you put in is not wasted and the hp you gained would be an additional bonus should Archers ever be given a hp buff. If you still feel like the meme makes sense or that you're salty about it despite my explanation then all I can say is that you are being selfish as this buff would help others and it is not at your expense.
I understand what you mean because I am also experiencing that issue. I have pet equips scrolled with hp and have a few equips that focus on hp as well but my hp still remains very underwhelming. My post was not meant to ask for a change in hp formula but rather just to seek out ways in which Archers can get more hp. It feels like I've exhausted almost all means and im not even at the halfway mark to not get 1hit by a boss like Shao.
You either HP wash or you do the daily elixir quest. Pick your poison, we all have to grind at the end of the day whether it's making a bishop mule to sell leech or doing the HP quest daily
hmm yes just wanted to see if the GMs could consider making the poison be less painful. Just a thought. Definitely not asking for complete hp buff where no grind is needed. Just wanted to highlight where Archers stand right now wrt hp and the effort needed to just "not get 1hit by shao" aka 15monthsx45mins everyday.
Have you checked if you can apr any mp to hp? Even if you didn't wear int or have base int, you should be able to wash a little. And did you do the elixir of life? Maybe doing this and with some levels you can get closer to 8k (edit: fat fingered and wrote 9k originally), at which point you could make an hb mule. Shao is definitely at the top end of common boss hp requirements, compared to ht (10k) and auf (10.5k-ish). I'd like to see more threatening mechanics like shao's 12k hit reworked to be dodgeable by jumping. Dodgeable and dangerous attacks are an extremely under utilized concept in bosses and go a long way towards interactive bosses. If we're being super radical, I'd be interested in seeing more 1/1s too, as this threatens washed and unwashed players equally.
yeap i do it everyday and i checked hp wash calculator. i can get 1.4k hp if apr-ed putting me at 7.5k approx. Even with hb i wouldnt be able to tank 1hit from shao
This was done because one of the few perks warriors have over other classes is their naturally high HP. This was so that was- somewhat- maintained. Also, because most classes don't need all that much extra HP, especially if they use HB.
It sounds like you can hp wash and then do ~3-4 weeks of HP quest, together with HB and be able to shao. I was able to shao with 12.5k HP so 12.5k/1.6 = 7.8k HP TBH shao is more extreme example to increase a ranged chars HP since by design, it's a boss for melee class and is one of the special bosses like toad and bodyguards that should be tackled only by those who has the stats for it. We just bypass the summon's annoyance by using mules to lure them.
Agree. I really hope GM can do some changes on Archer's hp I'm a totally unwashed lvl 200 bm and I only have 10.9k hp with lvl 200 medal or 11.3k with Ergoth's Bane medal (do everything as much as possible) I had to bring an HB mule for Shao and Toad. More multiclient means more risk of dc for me. cannot tank 1 hit of BF (couldn't join any BF part when I was training) Moreover, when you reach lvl 200, you seem to get an attractive medal with +3 att but it only has +50 hp...
Archers could get a better wash rate, that'f for sure. And the hp quest is nice and all but do you really want to spent all your free time for a tiny but more hp? rather make washing not so bad
Daily HP was never meant to replace hp washing Only as a option for player that didnt wash but still want ot continue that character People talk alot about buffing the hp quest it may need a buff it may not its hard to find a balance without ruining the game to easy and everyone will do it and replace hp washing killing the apr market(alot of people way of making money from voting) i think the main problem is people are tying to get to hp number other wash to from the hp quest when most classes only need to do the quest for a few weeks to enter most bosses
Yes what you said is correct but for this thread we are specifically referring to the archer class. And as I listed above, the amount of times the hp quest needed to be done daily to just "not get 1hit by shao" is 15months assuming you are already at lvl 155 like I am with 6k hp. Shao can be leeched at lvl 145 if im not mistaken so this put archers at a very bad disadvantage compared to other classes. This is why we are talking about the rate of hp washing for archers to be buffed as we all know hp washing is a part of the server's culture and do not want it to be changed
But that wrong way of thinking your tying to replace hb. Hb is fundamental in this ver on maplestory the hp quest is not designed so you can run without it
The elixir quest does have a weird thing inside it, if you collect more ingredients than you need, ruel comments on it. kind of odd and I figured it had to do with your chances to get the chaos potion. Maybe if you do this 10/20/etc times in a row all potions will give you +1 more hp, etc, maybe up to +3-5? Or special one time elixir quests at boss levels, 135, 145, 155, 175 etc, needing an etc from zak, shao, ht, toad etc, for a +60/whatever hp potion or something. Or just give archers like +5 hp per level. level 10-200 is only an extra 950 hp lol
Again, you are not getting my point. Also, the point of HB is not "you need me in order to survive 1 hit by the boss" but rather "if you screwed up when you got hit by the boss and did not pot up for some reason or if your pet auto pot did not proc (happens quite often), my hb will save you" Furthermore, I dont think anyone would be able to say with a straight face that buffing hp would be replacing HB since the server is literally all for hp washing By buffing Archer's hp a little, all it does is make the hp wash more doable and less painful because as I mentioned in OP, the grind is much harder compared to other jobs since the hp gain is lesser. This does not take away the idea of hp washing as it is still very much required. Also, it does not take away the significance of HB because HB is always welcomed. I hope this clarifies any of your doubts
