Lol that is 100% not true i really dont know where you get that idea from only shows you didnt play ms back in the early days HB has always been a core part on group in the early days of maplestory in fact not only did players need hb most needed hp equips
I've been playing maplestory for more than 15 years and I know for a fact that the purpose of HB is to support low hp classes. Just because you dont like the idea of it or the fact that it does not align with yours does not make it wrong. Following your logic, if the purpose of hb is as what you say it is for, isnt hp washing going against that ideal? Are you going to tell the GMs that they are doing it all wrong? You are contradicting yourself sir and your cover ups are more ridiculous than the ones before. I hope playing for more than 15 years would put me in the 'old days' category otherwise i dont think 80% of the community are qualified to state their opinions on the forums
I also love how here you saying its fact HB isnt designed to survive 1hit only more room for error but here its My point of view lol im done with this you just going to say what ever fits your narrative
Like I said, you have no decent reply to any of the issues stated. This thread or the thread regarding cwkpq, it seems like you lack the understanding to process the main argument. That is fine,you may have some communication issues but thats very common among people from different walks of life. If you ever do intend to get your facts right and have a proper discussion without only thinking about your own convenience, I'll be right here.
This is exactly what I said in my reply please learn to read. The fact that you thought they were different explanations clearly shows you dont understand whats going on.
Why i repond to you ill never know. Also, the point of HB is not "you need me in order to survive 1 hit by the boss" The Point of HB like it was designed that way And the Shreenshot where its just your point of view "HB to me is a skill that give people room for error" in discord where dave said the same things im saying. You also cant answer my question about how archer and thiefs did HT if HB was always "a skill that gives people room for error" and not the only reason they even able to do it
1) Dave did not say the same thing as you. You are delusional. 2) Main servers like Msea and Gms have hp washing as well. HB is not a must and if they had it, it was a welcomed buff as it makes them have room for error in case they forgot to pot up when getting hit. The fact that you dont know this but have the cheek to say people are not from the "old days" explains a lot about you. 3) In case you didnt know, HT dispels and that means HB buff is removed during dispel. Does that mean if they dont get rebuffed all archers and NLs expect to die immediately? Do you honestly think they rely on HB to survive in boss fights? No because HB is merely a skill to give room for error. Its a skill used for supporting low hp classes. 3) Point of HB is not "you need me in order to survive 1 hit by the boss". This is exactly what I said on discord. You either have problems understanding what I said or you are confused somewhere along the lines. If you find it difficult to come back with a decent reply then maybe its best that you.. dont? Im sure no one benefits from the confusion in your replies and it would save me a lot of time and effort explaining the same thing over and over again to you in hopes of you understanding it better
Also, did you just screenshot my message on discord and claim that its your point of view? Please enlighten me because I do not understand whether you are complimenting me or you are just confused.
becuase you liek this format so much ill use it 1)dave said the same things about hp and mainly HB hp on items and the HP quest Are not designed to replace HB 2) Are you insane? apr still costed 3100nx $3:10 per wash Like are you really insane? 3)Also shows how little you know and how you didnt do HT, HT isnt the one that dispell its the black drakes something that people "kinda" know when are going to spawn and are killed 4) one you clearly state as fact and one you state the way you think the skill is
I feel for you which is why I started this thread. I am not asking for a huge buff in hp but as I mentioned in the OP, I suggested some solutions which the GMs could consider. Rg: Phoenix as a buff and gives hp boost when used. Ultimately, theres the issue of hp washing and apr being a way of meso making for new players so if the GMs feel like this is not needed then at least I said tried to bring some light on Archers' predicament.
1) And? Dave having a differing opinion of what HB is used for doesnt make other people's opinion of it wrong. Again, has nothing to do with this thread since this thread is on Archer's hp and the issue of HB was merely used as an example of the pains Archers have to go through in order to go bossing. 2) What do you mean insane? Just because they cost quite a bit on main servers does not mean it wasnt a thing. It existed and people did it. You may not have done it but thats obvious because you clearly dont know what you are talking about. 3) When people refer to HT, they refer to the entire process of HT bossing and not the specific body/part which does the skill. Everyone who says "HT has dispel" automatically refer to the chance of getting dispelled during the boss fight. Do you hear people going around saying "HT's arms seduce"? No they just say HT has sed. You are clearly trying to nitpick on issues that dont exist because I've proven you wrong on both your replies here and your thread on cwkpq. 4) you are clearly confused maybe you can take the time to read carefully first before being defensive and posting a reply. The whole point of forums is to allow people to share their ideas and have a civil debate on issues of the game. Not only are you being defensive, you are not contributing to this thread with points of contention. You are just making up things to make yourself sound like you know what you are talking about. I would love to have a discussion with you on the issues mentioned. Please pm me on discord and I'll gladly enlighten you on the things you have misunderstood so far albeit it may take me a few hours to accomplish that.
legendary collector medal gives 1k hp and black belt gives a small amt of hp too. Even with those my hp would not be enough to not get 1hit by Shao. My thread mentioned that theres a whopping difference of 6k hp. As such I did not feel the need to state these equips unless they were substantial enough to not get 1hit by Shao
you know its funny, funny because i do agree that bowman should have more hp just bringing them up to where thiefs are would be about 800hp on ave at lvl 200 only seems fair. but the silly nonsense you come out with to try and win a argument especially that around HB has given me a good laugh. but yeah try to stick to facts next time and then you wont have people come along to poke holes in it
Once again, no facts to back anything you say. Once again, digressing from the main issue. If all you are doing is write stuff that I have disproved several times then maybe just pm me on discord. I know you're salty that I proved you wrong on your cwkpq thread and you are trying to do the same on mine but you clearly dont know what you are talking about here so I suggest just leaving my thread unless you have something of substance to say.
your hp 6300 + medal (1000) +belt( 300) + pet (500)（30％passX3） 7800 * hb（1.6x）= 12480 if you accept HB, you can do shoulin no need 3months for hp do you think bossing use HB is strange ? or hate DK into your party? I saw 4ppl unwashed use 2smoke kill yaoseng what's your team member? and how about your toad/auf fight thinking? (I saw 1bm call 3bs for res ) Phoenix is summon , not buff skill,(and no icon) how about feedback to other skill ? ex:Bow Expert / Marksman Boost (Passive) or Concentrate (Supportive)
1)Not everyone has legendary collector medal. 2)No one said we hated dks or that we think using HB is strange. Where and how did you infer this? 3) Like I said, phoenix being a buff icon (if implemented) could help. I never said it was a buff icon now. Its merely to tell people how long before the skill expires so they can resummon phoenix before any "hp buff which phoenix would bring" would disappear 4) Thank you for listing out ways to get more hp. Unfortunately, a lot of them are not easily available to players in the short term. For example, it takes approximately an hour (averaged out between hard and easy mobs) to collect 5 cards. In order to collect 400 sets, it would take a considerable amount of time (400 hours). In other words, Archers would have to spend that many hours/days/weeks/months to get just 1k hp. Im not complaining, just trying to show that archers are very disadvantaged in the fact that they have to do so much more and still pale in comparison to other classes in terms of hp. Just putting into perspective that compared to other classes, Archers could use a buff in hp even if it was a little (500-1k)
Your problem belongs to all non-melee, not only archar I don't know that your 15 years of experience only for archar? I saw players choose AP or other HP equipment to prevent death in order to solve the problem of HP shortage. It’s not only by skill-change,and you refuse to try you know bm can 9k hp do yaoseng? (boss body touch with arrow rain/doom clone, stun attack keep clone to the wall/magnet+doom keep touch snall) have you obtained GPQ Medal? (It only takes 2days) after you used all HP methods given by GM how long do you think it will take to meet your needs? and you have not answer my question yet What do you think of the disadvantages of non-melee in toad/ and Auf? feedback needs to give specific suggestions EX:Concentrate +500HP (cd 300sec) Otherwise, our time is worthless
Hey i saw u mention u can get to 7.5k hp b4 hb if u washed out all ur natural extra mp. After hb tats 12k which is the min hp for shao. If u didnt alr do the +500 hp quest, or dont hv any pet eqps scrolled for hp, once u get those + wash out ur mp, u shld b completely safe for shao if u hv hb. Btw if u wanna go for toad, ur min hp tat u nid to get is gonna be ard 10.4k b4 hb. Tats a whole 3k for u to get b4 u hit 175 ish. So u prolly wld nid to go do the hp quest to hit tat but anyways u still hv time to just casually do it since u hv 20 lvls or so to go. Dont be too pressured abt the hp thing tho not everyone opts to do toad n its perfectly normal to not do toad till late 19x when u feel like rushing to 200 the jq is a real killer n the jq skip imo is kinda expensive lol
