Balanced Fury.

Depends on how you coded it. Cash Shop brings you to the closest spawn point while Trade brings you to spawn point nr 1 (most often top of the map if its a big map).

I don't know how Royals coded the Trade button but that's how it works in most servers. So yes, its kinda abuse of a server's feature personally, unless Cash Shop here does also always spawn you to spawn point nr 1.

/offtopic I guess

 

I wouldn't call that glitch abuse. I would call it intelligent, if unintended usage of a feature.

The recipe is what the recipe was in GMS, as far as I know, and further for the first yearish of the server post wipe, BVMs were only 60m. It's only since about august that they've gone above that. I'm personally of the opinion that BVMs should be made more common, and other crafting materials (shards, wrappings, etc) more rare, but that's just me. Since you only need one set of cilbis anyway once youre 4th job, the cost of the extra few atk is really negligible.

(citation needed)

it's not that 2 atk changes the status of NLs - sila and I are both well aware of that. Frankly, it wouldn't matter if it were going to. There are other priorities.

 

People have been banned here for far less lmao. This is the exact argument that people use in pretty much every single glitch abuse ban appeal.

This is not true. According to http://bbb.hidden-street.net/item-synthesis/itcg, cilbis required 1 maual, ilbi, 7 luk crystal, and 1 dark crystal. The manual required 1 shard and 1 jewel.

You can ask them!

 

I thought the intended feature was to warp to FM, not to abuse spawn points to speed up grinding or avoid falling off a map. But I could be wrong on this one.

 

Okay, let's chill out, breathe some fresh air, and think logically here. First of all, people have not been banned for glitch abuse for lesser reasons. People using the CS button have been banned for glitch abuse because they use the button to freeze a mob in its spot. That is a glitch. Warping to FM or CS to warp to a certain spawn point I don't think is glitch abuse because there is no malfunction occurring. The spawn point defined is the intended spawn point for players I would think, no?

Re: Your claim about Dustin and Christine making a balanced fury NPC, I've reached out to Dustin to clarify or explain as I personally have no recollection of this. I am not saying it hasn't occurred, I just don't recall being made aware of it. However, just because a member of staff has made something doesn't mean it has to or will be used. There were things Gi made that we didn't want or ask him to do and when presented to us, the majority of staff decided it was not necessary/not wanted. I take offense at your "admins are stubborn" claim. Seeing I spend hours of my day and Matt almost an entire day dealing with issues that crop up on the server while engaging with staff on discussions about what can be done to improve the server and who will help make that happen, just because we're not doing something on YOUR timeline, doesn't mean it's being stubborn.

 

In the year I've been here I have never made or changed a single line of code. I could, but it's not what I'm here for.

Neither has Christine. I don't know who told you this.

Balanced Furies are being looked at as we speak. Same goes for Cilbis.

 

Ex-GM christine coded the old balance fury npc/quest. (She told me this)

I honestly think that the old gMS bfury recipe shouldn't be changed, instead the cibies recipe should be made easier (at least not have a bvm in their recipe).

Because the gMS recipe for balanced furies is honestly difficult to make as it is and doesn't need an extra item just to make it more expensive. Farming feathers definitely does not take 1 hour without using the FM button (look at the amounts of bug reports made for increase drop). And even grinding from 50-70 at gs2 you can only farm enough ores to make 1 set~

The Taos are definitely cheap (but that's because it has been released for 1 year with nothing to forge them with??)

Honestly all night lords have only 1-3 sets of cibies because they are ridiculous to make and much more expensive than what they were in gMS. This honestly should not be the case, look at how easy end game bullets are obtainable? The problem isn't with the bfury recipe but with cibies.

 

Ask explained by Kimberly, there is a malfunction occurring as leaving FM can bring you to the top of the map without needing to climb up it, which is not supposed to happen, and does lead to a competitive advantage. CWK maps are unique in this warp regard as it prevents you being warped out of the map. It is as if you could warp to FM while falling in a jump quest and be brought back to before you fell. I really was not trying to pick on Sila, I just thought it was very strange and a bit funny to be told that bfuries are 'too easy' to make because all you have to do is this really weird and unintuitive and unintended method while farming the materials.

 

Oh, thát Christine. Makes sense.

We will keep you guys updated on the progress.

 

I had been told the same, and I was the one who found the original GMS dialogues for her, just as I made the hand-chosen list all of the rare NX items for GM KC that are now available in the donor shop. These are not the only instances where I have helped out GMs

 

In my opinion, an item shouldn't be added to the bfury recipe just because bvms (used for fs and scg) have all of a sudden quadrupled in value and made cibies go from 150m to 500m~

If we had old cibi prices no one would be opposing the old recipe.

I think (in my opinion):
1. Warping to FM should be made un-doable for the typhoon map
2. Maybe a tao wipe to make them more expensive (?)
3. Remove bvm from cibi manual and add in tiger heads instead since they have no purpose?? Or use gMS recipe but double the shards needed?

 

About the Trade button: even though its original intent is to bring you to the FM, people have been using it for things like self buffing and whatnot. If people are clever enough to use the button in a situation like falling through a map, then I don't see that as a glitch abusing. There's no glitch anywhere. It's not gms-like, that's for sure. I doubt anyone has a problem with the functions of the Trade button though but that's something that can be discussed.

OT: We will have to properly decide on what the requirements relatively from one star to the other will be. More on that when the issue has been properly discussed with the staff!

@maggles, I have alway vouched for an extra item requirement. But if I'm close to the only one, then I'm not going to be upset about it.

 

Well the trade button used to work in the anego maps till it was proven to be too OP and against the purpose to having the hallway map to get to anego, isn't this the case on the typhoon map??

 

If that's how people feel about it, then yes it could be disabled. I have never trained or farmed there so opinions are welcome.

 

Bri summarises the difficulty of typhons pretty well, which is basically made much easier if the FM button is not disabled in the map. I doubt I can even 2 hit with a level 10 wand, so ima be fucked.

 

John, as anyone who knows me would tell you, I really am the biggest fan and supporter of you all. I made my quitting thread literally just to thank the staff for everything they have done to provide a very unique kind of happiness to so many people. And I still say that you will never find a more dedicated staff than on Royals. Nothing I've written in this thread was not intended to be an attack, but rather a suggestion for further improvement of the server both in this specific case but also more broadly. It saddens me that providing thorough and well thought-out feedback (in the appropriate feedback section) is disregarded and not engaged with seriously. I also find it rather ironic that you are accusing me of being unappreciative of your time, when this is the main complaint that I've heard from many staff members about how they are treated by the admin. In your reply and in the response to Gi's re-application this is made very painfully clear. Also, please understand that I was told explicitly that the NPC had been written and that it was not being implemented because of the "prequest" for the NPC. And I do believe that it was written, and if you'd like more information on this I will find it for you. We are asking for an NPC, that was already worked on, to be moved into the official game files, over a year later. There is no need to villainize me for reiterating this minor request, or for expressing my frustration over suggestions and contributions to the server being denied without a good reason other than it not seeming "necessary" nor "wanted" (although it is a mistake to assume that the player-base would agree on these evaluations).

 

The maps to CWK are a JQ, and the maps are treated as such by penalizing players for falling, having cleverly designed traps, and rewards for completion (as you must jump to complete the quest -- although as far as I know the CWK quests are not working here). Being able to warp to FM mid-flight to prevent falling is obviously not intended during a "jump quest." Is it game-breaking? No, but that's not really the point. If you were able to warp to FM during the Sleepywood quest for flowers and prevent yourself from falling, that would be considered a glitch, yes? This is the same situation, but many people are not familiar with this content and fail to see that it is a glitch. Nowhere as a player are you told that the quest for Shumi's coin is a "jump quest." That is just what they became referred to. In trying to reach CWK, it is very clear that the maps were created with the same layout and design function as those JQs that players are more familiar with.

Accidental glitch abuse happens all the time on this server, and people are banned for it. If anything this situation should help us better understand these kinds of appeals.

 

Warping to the fm wouldn't even be an issue if the proper prequest to skip the Jq with the mark of heroism worked. The Jq isn't even difficult since the totem does no damage. (Neither do any other "traps" in the game.)

Changing cilbi would probably work but is it too late? Would it devalue them and put the people who spend 300+m on a single set in an unfair position? I don't know yet. We'll discuss it when the time comes.
(also, I too had no clue that any part of it was already scripted. I worked with one of our previous developers to try and help Fix it, and so I was under the assumption it was not ready and has not been since I joined staff in September.)

 

Like some other people have mentioned fm warping should be cancelled for the Typhon map. Not saying it's a case of glitch abusing as it is using the server features in a smart way, but if you really want the Balanced Furies to be hard to obtain you should at least disable this.

And yeah, getting thousands of BCO's is no simple task IMO. If you want at least a decent amount (say 20 sets) you need 20.000 BCO's. That's a lot of farming, and prices for BCO would most definitely skyrocket if Furies were to be added.


I agree with @maggles though about deleting all existing Tao's on the server. If you then had three rare items from gachapon wouldn't that make it quite a bit harder to craft these stars than C.Ilbi (IDK where Tao's are from atm but say they're added from gacha only, at a rare rate)?

 

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