Currently, an average of only 32-36 Manons spawn a day, and most channels are on a timer, being hunted religiously for HT quests. As a level 120 priest without the time to sit in the same channel for over 4-6 hours because of responsibilities, I am having huge troubles completing this part of the quest, even though i've been attempting it for multiple days now. Suggestion/s to GM: Tweak the spawn so that the supply matches the new demand of new HT farmers, or, if it doesn't already struggle with high demand, i'd like to suggest Griffey be entered into the HT quest farming picture, as it has close to the same HP/Level/Area and would not alter gameplay, to my knowledge, at all. Rebuttal: Many priests and other 4th jobbers before you completed the quest just fine. You can find one! Logic: True, unfortunately since you may have last made that trip the demand has probably changed quite a bit because of Horntail, and you probably have more capable characters. Currently, being a level 120 priest whose highest other friend willing to help him is a 76 hermit, the competition because of the low supply and large demand of these bosses make them improbable to find and kill for those without assistance. Since this is neither nostalgic in relation to my 3rd-4th job experience in pre-big bang Maplestory, or realistic, i'd like to request a tweak to allow for more realism and less headache.
As long as you aren't hunting a manon within the first 4 hours after the server comes up, you should not have a problem. I've checked for manons ten times in the last week and was able to find one (or more) each time, eight of those on the first channel I tried. The rate at which its hunted is far from "religious" - somewhere between "casual" and "occasional" imo. If its such a headache for you, just pick up a secret spell scroll in ludi and skip the manon portion of the advancement entirely.
He doesn't need the scroll, he needs the cry for the genesis quest as it requires you to go into HTPQ to collect an item. I do agree though that Manons are relatively easy to find. You don't need to camp religiously at all, and it seems that you've just been unlucky. Use ~uptime and head out (if you can) at ~5 hour intervals and it should spawn close enough in time.
I'm just recording my experiences, I have been on the blue kent map as a level 120 bishop doing this quest for multiple (more than 2) days now and have only seen one half dead. That is how hard they are currently being hunted, regardless of your opinion on how hard they are being hunted. Because that is how hard they are to find. I was looking for more of a step into my gomushins, not opinions on the spawn at whatever times that you guys had to hunt Manons in the past. Currently, it is extremely hard to find one. Update: YASSSSS, they just spawned in a couple channels and aren't hunted as horribly in the daytime/early evening Europe, I was able to catch a shad to let me kill the last few percent of his. Forgot the IGN, but thank you kind sir REGARDLESS, such as leeching (but this being required, so quite different), him having to help me kill that or else I wouldn't have been able to find one in time for them all to be dead again signifies a dependent system, which is icky, so I still think a change or tweak is necessary. Cheers.
No, that is your experience. That is how unlucky you have been on the last two days hunting, not a representation of manon spawns as a whole. My experience is exactly the opposite, and it's just as valid as yours - perhaps more so, because it includes more occasions hunting than yours does. I can use bold words too, see? Manons are not hard to find. I've found one on my first channel attempted on eight of ten occasions in the last seven days, and on my second channel on the other two. These are at various server uptimes and times of day from noon to four am for me, and from 5 hours server time to 22 hours server time, so timezone is not an argument. I am not talking about the time I did my job advancement (though I used a secret spell scroll anyway as people were hunting manon for the NX at the time), I am talking about the last seven days. I am talking about the current state of the server. This has been brought up before. There isn't a problem here, you've just been unlucky. He repeatedly mentions being a priest, not a bishop, talks about heroic items (star, I believe from manon?) in the thread title, and explicitly mentions the 3rd to 4th job transition. I'd say it's fair to assume he's talking about the job advance.
"No, that is your experience." I started my post with "I'm just recording my experiences," and I am currently the only player in this conversation who is a level 120 Bishop without multiple characters/friends/methods/experience on this server that makes knowing when Manon spawns easier. I admire your attempt to discredit my opinion because its only one opinion, but at the current time in the server on this feedback thread, my opinion is the most credible because I am actually participating in this quest for the first time at the current time. I believe that the spawn is to low, which is an opinion I am allowed to have. I don't enjoy the way you poke at people without any particular reasoning on my thread, either. If you don't enjoy things unrelated to the topic at hand such as my bolding, used simply to incite understanding, or the other posters input, simply pointing out where you misunderstood my post, please understand that you are welcome to not participate in this conversation at any point of your choosing. I encourage you to stray away from being unpleasant and off-topic, if you have unpleasant things to say in my feedback thread, please stick to being unpleasantly on-topic, thank you.
Congrats on finding your Manon, I told you you could do it! Perhaps you should be more patient and less insulting on your next quest.
Come on guys, i'm just trying to get Genesis. You saw what it did to Shammos, didn't you? Regardless, all this Manon requirement does is create a dependent system in Maplestory, where a high leveled or longer tenured player usually has to help the other do a required part of the game. Still disagree with it because it denies players who enjoy the game solo the ability, for the most part, to advance.
You're allowed to have your opinion, and we're also allowed to have our opinion that your experience is negligible when considering changes to boss timers. Your point that "There is no chance for a 120 bishop to finish one" is ridiculous because once you've found one it's yours. It doesn't matter how long it takes you to kill it because you hold mapowner, where if someone steals it you can get assistance for it anyways. The existence of this thread is completely moot because you managed to get what you needed. If it's too unreasonable for you to take a couple of days to get something done in Maplestory you might as well quit while you're ahead.
Your rebuttal either appears to have a direct effort toward 'pidgeon-holing' my argument, or you lack the ability to decipher the language i'm speaking correctly. Heres why I think that. 1. I did not say "There is no chance for a 120 bishop to finish one," however I did say "Currently, being a level 120 priest whose highest other friend willing to help him is a 76 hermit, the competition because of the low supply and large demand of these bosses make them improbable to find and kill for those without assistance." 2. You seem to believe I am only posting this because of my own inability to kill my first Manon and finish the beginning of the HTPQ so that I can attain 'liferoots.' That thought is inaccurate. As I mentioned before, I am merely requesting an eventual look at the possibility of a change that would make Manon more prominent in this server because as of now, a large percent of '4th job to be'ers' have to rely on a dependent system to pass through. It's not unreasonable to take a few days to do something, (another misread on your part) its unreasonable that a large percent of new 4th jobbers are currently relying on kindness to finish one of their main quests. This thread is definitely not moot, it has simply reached the point of thinking in which the likes of you are no longer able to participate. I apologize for your shortcoming?
Personally, I think it's fine. If you think you have it hard now, just imagine how it was like before all the updates that deterred people from hunting Manon. Here are some examples of how hunting Manon has decreased: Hunting NX isn't that great anymore with the Red Envelope update. While it's not a hard stop to hunting Manon, it does deter people away because there is a more efficient way of getting NX. Illusive mastery books such as Holy Shield 30 are now dropped by Krexel which was implemented not too long ago. Getting ONE Manon's Cry gave you ONE chance of fighting Horntail. The GMs updated this so that ONE Manon's Cry will give you FIVE chances of fighting Horntail. New information about Manon's Cry is being spread that if Manon drops more than one Manon's Cry and that person already finished the prequest to HTPQ, then other can take the extras as long as they are in the same party as the person who killed Manon, giving us less competition.
1. That quote is directly from the screenshot that was posted by Tim. 2. No one in their right mind kills Manon and Griffey for the 4th job advancement, you simply buy the secret scroll. 3. Your arrogance and attempt at intellectual superiority is embarrassingly childish. We're not 12 anymore, putting people down by insulting them doesn't work as well as it used to.
Again, the spawn rate of Manons in this server eventually not being able to keep up with the demand, as a high percentage of new 4th jobbers are already relying on high levels to let them kill their Manon is the point of this thread. This isn’t a thread about you pigeon holing what words I used. It never was. I only mentioned the fact that the main point of this thread may be escaping you after you let on that you think my thread is ‘moot' while ignoring, or failing to read and address, some of my main points, instead focusing on a pigeon hole styled rebuttal argument focused on attacking me. I’m sorry if you felt this was an "arrogant attempt at intellectual superiority” that was "embarrassingly childish." Don’t get me wrong, but isn’t this the feedback section? A place for considering others opinion, not calling it pointless while citing attack filled, off topic reasons to support your reasoning.
I think that this blew up way bigger than I think it should've. I've casually gone through the channels many different times throughout different days and I find multiple Manons WAY more often than not.
Again, you're making an unfounded claim on high demand. There is very little NEED for fresh 4th jobbers to even hunt Manon as only a few skills require the cry and again it's not necessary for the job advance itself. The drain of HTer's on Manon spawn is negligible compared to hunting rates prior to HT because not only do we share multiple cries when they drop as Plenty noted, but many of us also do not kill unnecessary Manon's anymore because other runners may need them. While some people kill them simply for drops/fun, to suggest a systemic change is simply needy. This makes your idea that Manons are "... on a timer, being hunted religiously for HT quests" completely incorrect as mentioned before by several people, that it's quite easy to stumble upon open Manons. To the only other point you made, I also answered that where I said level doesn't matter because you don't require assistance to kill a Manon once you've found it. You just spend an hour slowly killing it. We've cleanly refuted your only points, and you are the definite aggressor in using "attacked filled, off topic reasoning" to ignore very clear rebuttals.
All your replies before the current were ill written and attacking, this one leaves the ill written part out. If you hadn't noticed, I liked Plenty's post immediately when he posted it because it was rooted in logic and presented examples. It didn't try to go to lengths to disprove my examples, it went to lengths to explain, with his own examples, why he didn't think that was the case. His simple post went to great lengths in convincing me the problem may be smaller than I think. Your posts were extremely different. All you did was say things like "Again, you're making an unfounded claim on high demand." My claim isn't unfounded? I can assure if you were able to look at logs you could see that my character had spent a lot of time around the Manon map over the last 72 hours. I asked you awhile ago to stop posting in my thread if you have nothing worthwhile to say. You have instead kept presenting useless, jumbled information either regurgitating what others are saying, approving it, or taking my information and attempting to disprove it. You have nothing unique to say. Why attach yourself to a subject repeatedly when you seemingly hold limited knowledge and emotion about it? For the lulz? Please, man, bruh, for the sake of me getting bored of this argument, stop posting in my thread if you are not concerned enough about the amount of Manons in the server to form a unique opinion about it.
Sailin, you seemed to have provoked an argument throughout this thread, much like you tried to pick a fight with Tim earlier today. Your feedback about Manon has been received and discussion is more than welcomed. What is not welcomed is telling people their experiences are wrong or incorrect because it does not match yours. The vast majority see no need to change the spawn rate, nor does the staff. Your instance seems to be an outlier. Perhaps if someone else had similar experiences and presented their argument in a different way, people would be more willing to listen. However, you aren't doing yourself any favors by acting hostile.
I'll admit I provoked the GM, for which I received a warning. I was, however, provoked by 'SnowyKitten' because he called my entire thread 'moot.' Since the only reason you responded to this saying I provoked someone is because he actually was continually bumping it, provoking me on my feedback thread, I urge you to reread and reconsider who the 'provoker' is before you universally declare it as me. Harassing behavior on ones thread followed by being told (by the OP) if you have nothing of value to say don't say it at all isn't being 'provoked,' it more falls in the category of 'provoking,' especially when repeatedly, and usually politely, asked to leave. (TLDR; I'm just trying to post a feedback thread without being harassed, here. Your community isn't allowing for that, although I don't consider players named 'Narutard' to be the vast majority of any community, thank goodness)
I'm going to provide three statements for this thread, leave it open, and ignore the negativity that's arisen already. 1. Tweaks to Manon have been done in past to change the availability of Manon to provide for Horntail runners (the provision of five transformations per Manon Cry rather than one) and player reports about being unable to find a Manon afterwards dropped drastically. 2. This game is intrinsically party-based, and there is little way to avoid that in the long run. You have chosen as your job the Priest, which is a support class; by default you are exposing yourself the the requirement that other players need to co-operate with you for best results. You state that you enjoy the solo experience: part of the quest to obtain Genesis requires you to be in a party with at least two other players no lower than level 120. This is not the game telling you to play a certain way, it's the game being what Maplestory is; a game that revolves around player interaction and cooperation for fun. Not everything can be solo'd in this game, end of story. You may be able to solo much of this game, however it's simply unreasonable to expect to be able to solo all of it. 3. To provide my own personal experiences, I did the Horntail Pre-quest for Genesis on my own personal Bishop about two days ago at peak hours (approximately 4pm EST) and found Manon on the first channel I went to. If you have reasonable arguments as to why Manon needs to be changed any further than your luck in finding one simply being bad, please feel free to state them. If there is any more negativity in this thread, either towards the OP or from the OP, this thread will be closed.
Naming a player and more insults, you are showing yourself to a very nice player... I been looking for manon 4 times the last week, once did i not find any, and once did i find 7 of them. The manon farming too me don't seem to exist, just today i had a player who was going HT said " I need to find a manon" 5 minutes before the run started, he found one. Only time i have trouble finding one is a few hours after a server restart since some takes the time to get one. Forgot to add, do you actually kill any monster when inside the map? he don't usually spawn upon entering, or any other boss for that matter.
