Hello all, This is more of a post to help me understand the rules, I've never posted before. So, I thank you in advance for your help, and let me know if this is posted in the wrong place. Most people I see in Sophilias Bedroom are AFK, just having Pheonix/Ifrit/Bahamut going to get kills. As far as I know this is banned so I'm confused why it's so common. I just got to Priest earlier (my best character so far!) and it's still providing me decent exp, so it's annoying to see the rooms filled with level 180+ AFKs all the time. Please let me know if this isn't actually against the rules, I'm honestly just trying to understand. I've had people challenge me to prove I'm online while I've been training there, so I'm wondering if it's ok to do the same to players who are clearly AFK. Next, are multis ok? I went through 4 channels in a row and it was the same person with a different number beside their name each time, all high levels, all with identical gear and cash items. It's frustrating seeing that when I'm trying to grow legitimately and 1/5 of my training spots are blocked by one person playing on 4 accounts who clearly doesn't need it. I took screenshots but won't post them until I know if it's against the rules or not, it seems unfair otherwise. Thanks for reading, and please let me know if these are valid/invalid concerns that I just have to deal with. Otherwise, absolutely love the server, thanks for all the hard work and love that was clearly poured into it. Everyone I've dealt with in-game seems to be more than happy to help with anything, this just seemed too bulky to ask there. Thank you
Multiclienting is allowed. Also summon farming is allowed, they are farming Heartstoppers. Summon kills don't trigger map owner or pet loot so they still need to attend to each client every 2-3mins to loot and keep map ownership
This is excellent information, thank you. Again, I'm not trying to complain or throw anyone under the bus, I'm simply trying to understand the rules. On that information, would it be possible to be active while they aren't and simply assume map ownership then from being active? What would I do in that scenario? I don't like or agree with either the multi or summon farming rules, as I feel it takes away from everyone else trying to start from nothing, but I appreciate you outlining them for me, and I will accept them.
Thanks for your response, but unfortunately I have no idea what this means. I'm sorry here, I'm really trying hard to learn but it's a fairly steep curve getting back into this game, much less a specific server
LMFAO @Alstero On the real though, as @noobgamer97 said, it’s not against T&C as multi-client summon farming requires refreshing map ownership within the 3 minute time window.
besides, there are several chars, their intention is not to farm heartstoppers, however they kill the mob once a while to hold the mapownership only. this is toxic
Use ~mapowner in all chat, if it says no one currently owns the map then you can attack mobs and you'll own the map
sorry, didnt mean to confuse you. Everytime I go there, I see that ign farming the stoppers. So i was referencing that.
OP is voicing out his frustration but all everyone can say is it's allowed. We need to stop confusing rules (aka what's allowed) vs what seems right. Yes I get that it's allowed. Yes I get that you can make multiple characters, use their summon, juggle mapownership every 2-3mins by hitting. But ask yourself this, are you actually okay with it? The underlying issue: this behavior has already been hard embedded in royals culture, which is why everyone is simply giving the same answer. Maybe it's already too late to make changes anyway. With that being said, changes already have been put in place to alter how summon farming works, such as simply casting your summon does not retain mapowner any more, which means more work for the farmers. Multi client Alt tab farming rapid fire/hurricane also does not work anymore, so this method can be disregarded as well. Spoiler: my very own 2 cents Personally I don't think it is okay for people to farm more than 2 maps at a time BECAUSE there are only a limited amount of maps to farm stoppers,( just go jacks hurdurr being the most common reply), and at least some form of graciousness should be practiced in some form of sharing, especially if there's no more maps available. Same goes to hoarding mapowner of more than 1 boss simultaneously, just because it's not against the rules. But hey, rules doesn't say it's not okay, so.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Like many others have said, holding up multiple maps is allowed as long as you are paying attention to your surroundings and responsive. I highly agree with this. We are all a community here to have fun in a mushroom game. Communicate and help each other out. Is it really worth it to hold up extra channels for a tiny bit more personal gain, while it causes conflict that leaves both sides upset? As a personal example, I asked this question to myself when I found multiple pianuses in different channels, and even when I had multiple attackers at my disposal, I would rather multi-attack in the same channel to finish one channel at a time if it means risk other players beating me to other channels, because it feels wrong to me to hold up multiple channels and it's not worth the brain cells I'm losing stressing over unnecessary conflicts. Just my opinion. To the topic at hand of finding an open channel at Sophia's Bedroom when all seem to be taken, perhaps there can be more conversation between players to reach some sort of cooperation. E.g. checking with the current mapowner to see how long they will be there for, or perhaps they can take a 30-60min break during which you can temporarily take over the map. Edit: I don't go to the Haunted Mansion these days. To players who are more familiar with the situation, how competitive are those maps? Would some sort of limit work? E.g. as a player you are only allowed to hold up to x number of channel at once?
https://royals.ms/forum/threads/alt...-combating-summon-farming.154113/#post-911711 https://royals.ms/forum/threads/afk-farming-sophilia’s-bedroom.154490/ https://royals.ms/forum/threads/alts-monopolizing-voodoos-hoodoos-map.183941/#post-1075058 Keyword: bedroom, summon farm, stopper farm
From well-known multi-clients stopper farmer’s perspective. This topic is never going to end. If they change the rule. Limiting 1-2 clients per IP, we are paying for 500K+ ea stoppers. Multi-client farmers bring cheap stoppers to the community. Maybe you disagree with me that more people can have channels to farm stoppers so it doesn’t affect much to the stopper price. I will tell you that is WRONG. From my experience, there are NOT every channels occupied most of the time. Usually 10 channels maybe or less. Unless there are 1-2 multi clients farmer farming and the channels will be fully filled. Another time is the Asian peak hour. At that time you are less likely to find a map. Personally I have 8 stopper mules. I had ever spent 2 hrs searching for maps at Asian peak hour I can only get 4-5 maps if I was lucky. So I will avoid that time to search maps. Fortunately, the place where I’m living benefit me to avoid the Asian peak hour and make me easier to find 8 maps most of the time. Well I haven’t introduce what is stopper summon farm. It is basically making about 18mil per hour per client by sitting in front of your computer and press 1 key every 3 mins. I personally will never farm stoppers with 1 client for that 18mil per hr. I prefer focus on bossing or just lay in my bed. 18mil is really not much. If I have only 1 mage I prefer sell leech than stopper farm. To the people who wanted to make stopper farmers. before you make your stopper farmers you will have to think about the place where you live. If you live in GMT+8 the Asian time. I strongly not recommend you to make stopper farmers because searching for maps is really really hard at that time. 2 hrs for 4 maps if you’re lucky Not to mention the effort of making a stopper farmer about 2B and 2 weeks for leech and stuff. And it is the investment you can not get it back when you are not farming anymore. Unlike your mage gears, you can resell when you’re not selling leech anymore. You need 2000/18= 111.11 hrs of free labouring to make the money back for one stopper farmer. some hints if you’re making stopper farmers. 1. Be anonymous don’t make all your farmers have similar or identical IGNs. Otherwise you’ll face so much harassment when you’re farming. Especially bothering when farming makes people got crazy. (Bad examples Als1,Als2,Als3Als4,Als5,Als6) 2. Don’t make ALL your farmers look the same. this is another way to let people recognise you easily if you have the same NX items on your farmers (Bad examples Als1,Als2,Als3Als4,Als5,Als6,Alstaze) I made my stopper farm at the end of 2019 few weeks after the summon Auto loot nerf. At the time stoppers was 500~700k ea iirc after nerf. I was struggling with mesos farming method. At the time there are not much buyer buying petri. So I decided to make quad-mage ulu1 farm. But before I made it i met Venin and he taught me this stopper farming method. Stopper farm make me rich and I’m really appreciated to him. (Rip) When I’m farming or other multi or single client farmer farming please, please don’t bother them much. They are not a bad person. Just needing some mesos and labouring for MapleRoyals. when you ask me for maps I refuse to give or share. That doesn’t mean I’m a selfish or bad person. If I give you the map. I am losing 18m per hour per map . It is harder than you can imagine for a multi client farmer to find all 8 maps. I personally don’t mind nerfing multi client stopper farm because I’ve already farmed enough mesos for everything. But this is gonna to hurt the market and those who are still struggling. That’s all in my mind for now. Thx for reading.
Holy, I'm nowhere near the farming issue but that read made me feel bad. "when you ask me for maps I refuse to give or share. That doesn’t mean I’m a selfish or bad person. If I give you the map. I am losing 18m per hour per map (this is the definition of selfish). It is harder than you can imagine for a multi client farmer to find all 8 maps(8/20 for just 1 person). Stopper farm make me rich... I personally don’t mind nerfing multi client stopper farm because I’ve already farmed enough mesos for everything." Again, I'm impartial on the subject but that perspective is shocking. Just some follow up thoughts. If the map in all 20 chs is constantly held up by one single dedicated person or two dedicated people from different time zones who are organized and had a good channel rotation. Would everyone be okay with it? They can potentially monopolize the market and drive the stopper price back to 700k. Would all the other farmers speak up against this one person or two people? Would there be changes or would you guys applaud their efforts and dedication?
So what is your point with the reply? The questions were rhetorical. Let me just extend an olive branch, I'm not focusing whether it is possible for 1 or 2 people to dominate the map, nor am I even interested in trying it. I'm just questioning the mentality.
I can agree with your post, your mentality is not the one that I'm questioning. Just by using the words like "treat each other with respect.... I gave channels when they asked me nicely.", I can already tell my afterthoughts are not targeting farmers like you. However, my point stands. The scenario is extreme, but the extreme scenario emphasizes the real question if the server is filled with selfish players that take advantage of a certain situation, how would you feel. Some people had an entirely different attitude regarding farming, so the question should be asked. It's because I don't farm, I'm an unbiased bystander. I've read several posts regarding this matter yet this is the first time I posted a reply. I didn't post a reply saying whether there should be a limit, I didn't post a reply saying it is unfair. I simply pointed out my feelings regarding a bad read and invoked some afterthoughts with the said "extreme scenario". Appreciate the effort on the write-up, shows that you cared.
