Is it worth to make a bowmaster?

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    Is it worth to make a Bowmaster on this server ?
     
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    bowmasters and marksmen are great on the server
    sharp eyes is always in demand during boss runs (at least 95% of parties want the buff, night lords are slaves to sharp eyes)
    DPS wise during bossing bowmasters are pretty easy to build for a new player cuz bows and crossbow prices are pretty cheap among all the classes
    hp washing is optional right now for this server cuz of the repeatable quests to give max hp so you can survive the hard hitting bosses(up to 9500 hp, but take quite alot of commitment to do it)
    something else to consider is that hurricane is ping dependent, so you might not have the same experience as other bowmasters

    most importantly, just make sure you have fun playing the class
    btw if you wanna try out marksman instead, the server has them buffed to match bowmasters
     
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    If you want to pick between the two with those options, BM or MM?
    Mostly know that BM will be stuck just bossing
    While MM has more of an open road to both boss and regular grind anywhere, which you'll see they're highly wanted in LHC all the time.

    If you're okay with the lack of aesthetics with the MM, I'd highly recommend MM over BM in this server. You might sacrifice a bit of single-target as MM, but you gain in everything else.
     
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    Im a casual bm on this server so take my opinion with a pinch of salt.

    No.

    But if you like hurricaning in fm and pretending you hit 199k per arrow on everyone at channel 1 fm then yes its fun
     
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    Honestly. No
     
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    BM is good compared to MM if you
    - are lazy
    - have high ping (strafe+snipe with >100ping is nightmare)
    - like to boss

    BM is good compared to other attacker class if you
    - just came to this server
    - are less funded
    - plan to try more classes afterwards
    - are casual player just for fun

    BM is not good if you
    - want to be the best of the best (damage wise)
    - have no idea / can't afford HP washing but want to try end game (lvl 170+) content with BM
     
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    BM ,is fine for me
     
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    If you actually enjoy playing BM then go for it, don't let people's opinions affect what you want to play. It's a game afterall, what's the point if you're not having fun?
     
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    Play whatever you enjoy :)

    Personally would like it if MM could hurricane like 4th job wild hunters on their panther Mounts. That would be fun. Would be a master grinder and bosser! Only really seen BM in Royals though.
     
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    Yes but thats only because stat restrictions arent a thing in main servers.

    MMs have lower stat restrictions compared to BMs in old school servers to balance out between bms and mms.

    Eg: Xbow str reqs are much lower than bows

    EgTwo: Xbow base wa are much higher than bows

    If we throw in hurricane for MMs then its going to make BMs the new obsolete class and then its a vicious cycle all over again.
     
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    I see your point and this has been debated many times beyond Royals, for sure. I heard the devs tried to balance MM with BM.

    Pros for buffing MM with hurricane:
    + MM becomes more popular. Especially at bossing. Buccaneers who are already popular become even more popular because of speed infusion. Time leap can help with snipe on longer bosses like HT.
    + People consider MM more "fun"


    Cons for MM hurricane:
    - BM becomes obsolete if the MM DPS is matched or greater. MM has more utility with freeze, snipe, and piercing.

    We would hate to see ANY class become totally irrelevant. If every class had everything, Noone has anything. (If every1 is special/super, then no1 is special/super).

    The current balancing is passable but it is not at a level to take MM into the hardest bosses. MM can take on many bosses as is. Nerfing BM right now is a terrible idea. Thar is not the correct answer.

    To get to the big bosses would require a huge boost to the xbow expert skill, final attack, the summon, lowered cooldown on snipe, the addition of super strafe, the addition of wild arrow blast (crossbow hurricane), or a combination of these. And balancing is a pain because it requires time to get data.

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    In the other way around, I have asked for BM to get buffs in terms of AoE

    However, I feel like in asking for this, most BMs get defensive into thinking that it'll take away from their Single Target damage.

    But really, BM's multi-target is not even 1/10th of a MM. It can use a buff.
    I'm not saying to get them anywhere near MM or other classes.

    Even if you get their AoE doubled, other classes will still laugh at your ability to mob, I promise you, I won't take that away from you.
     
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    Could you elaborate on this please. I never did mobbing much as a bm but I felt arrow rain was decent enough to me
     
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    In getting my thoughts together while talking with you, BM's AoE has always been fitting when dealing with targets in the low-to-mid thousands.
    It does the job like any 3rd job abilities does for such targets in any class.

    4th Job skills are more fit to strike enemies who's HP has jumped to the millions, and when you are dealing with multiple at once, you start seeing the sink in damage with BM when compared to other classes in dealing with such a scenario.
     
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    Hi im wondering why you keep removing the content and titles of your threads? It is a bit destructive since other people might want to know the same thing you've been asking and it is easier to find your thread and read the replies if you don't.
     
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    I saw that you did the math regarding skills from other classes and their dps which I assume is correct and I appreciate the insight.

    Just wanna briefly mention that those classes, heroes in particular, do not excel in single target scenarios which is why you rarely see them welcomed as much in HT runs.

    Paladins have high dmg% skill because well, they hit like one line of damage so it wouldnt be fair to compare damage% like that across the board. I'd like to think that Pallies belong in the support category alongside bowmasters as well imo.

    I dont want to give a qualified comment regarding bm's aoe mobbing because I havent really done any of that since I made my BM so theres no point in me giving an opinion but I have no trouble hurricaning tanky mobs like the big golden monks for hp quest. In fact its so fast with hurricane I dont bother putting my mobbing skills on the keyboard anymore.

    That said, I do understand your concern as BMs would probably not have high mobbing dps in areas such as LHC conpared to Heroes or DarkKnights but thats kind of the trade off for having superior single target dps.

    I main a bm and I only play bm so having a buff in anything would be to my advantage but I also wouldnt want to get unnecessary buffs in areas that are not needed.

    Not everything is meant to be equal, which is also what makes it fair. Nobody wants to see a lhc party entirely filled with BMs.

    inb4 the Nightlords start asking for a single mobbing skill
     
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    @grassblaster Could you change the title back to what it originally was?

    i.e. "Is it worth making a bowmaster"

    the "q" is triggering me quite a bit considering all the effort people spent in answering your question.

    I'd hate to see this insight be deprived from new players who come across this thread.
     
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