General Should banned players be given a second chance?

yes becoz server is ded XDD

 

Thank you for using examples and making it clear on what you're talking about. As for your first point, if a person can RWT the first time, whats stopping him the second time?

I'd like to note that if you've been banned for rwt and make a new account, you will surely be put under a microscope on your second account. You will of course be judged harder knowing your past crimes and flagged as at risk. Not only that, but I've checked the prices, 20+ wa bfcs/bwg and perfect weapons can cost upwards of $500 each. I would assume losing that big investment would halt a lot of people from making the same mistakes.

Regarding your vote abuse scenario, you mention "transfer nx to a friend", I assume you're talking about drop trading over APRs. I agree that this is a loophole but I would hope that many APR's would alert the system. If the person gets banned and the logs show he gave away 5m nx to his friend, and the friend gave it right back to his new account I would hope the logs can reflect this and they both be banned.

 

Not really sure the point you're trying to make talking about deleted threads. Yes I have friends who've been banned. It makes me question how many friends you have if you don't.

 

Based on the duration of we staying in this server, I probably have more friends that are banned, but I don't have any sympathy for them. Were they not given enough chances to read rules? How many chances are enough? Giving a second chance to banned players in order to grow the playerbase will probably make current players quit, and require extra detection system to be implemented by staves. Do they deserve all of these efforts? I can't see it is healthy for the server in a long term, as well as brings more works and trouble to staves.

 

>Pay a fine of 10 billion mesos
Sorry but from who? from the game they originally robbed it from in the first place with vote abuse or hacking? silly logic.
so you're saying i could go and exploit the voting system now, get banned and regret it then offer whatever i have received? what about all the gear? why not just wipe the account? why should they be allowed to even keep their character when they clearly don't deserve it in the first place? too many soft people on here i swear wtf happened to the maple world.
From experience unbanning someone who's exploited the game in some way always ends up doing it all over again. People don't change and they will not either for 1 server of many. i start to fall suspicious on those who try to make a right out of a wrong likely because they're either guilty themselves or know someone doing something wrong but keep it quiet.
You're right its no big loss for the server when they get banned, thats why they should stay banned. it may just be a game but there's people behind the game that to you is "just a game" why should all their efforts of trying to make this game be balanced and fair be tampered with by people who have to cheat and take advantage of a private server where they don't even have to spend a penny in the first place? the right thing to do is keep them banned and let those who really enjoy the game, enjoy it.
Whether they vote abuse a few times or hundreds of times they had an intention.

 

Hiya Aqwrd,
I can appreciate that you'd like a change to be made, or at least suggested to our overlords. I too feel like the permanent bans need a little more polish, or clarity even to the small community that we treasure here. I would personally like to see swifter outcomes for ban appeals, I frequently read them to keep up to date on what's going on and a change I would suggest would be getting straight to the point instead of this good cop/bad cop play that I see very often.
I would suggest an open forum decision be made on certain bans if there is enough community support. Have all of the information laid out on the table and leave it to a vote by us, the peers. Alternatively, our overlords could invoke a jury system of trusted players. I think it'd be an interesting move. Of course this system would have loopholes, members can be bought off and such. Maybe the staff member assigned to the case talks to each jury member individually to reduce the risk of the jury colluding.
I totally agree that players that are allowed to return to the game should restart at level 1 with a permanent strike against their name. And I also agree that 6 months is a reasonable amount of time.
I also understand that our lovely overlords have lives and jobs outside of this job and appreciate the work that they all do here to keep this community tight knit.

 

No to jury system.

Too small community, everyone knows everyone.

High chance of bias coming into play.

Just let the GMs ban based on evidence.

Not broken, dont fix.

 

I'm sensing alot of bias right now

I disagree that everyone knows everyone. I've only been on the server for 8 months and play with quite a few players that have been playing Royals for years and they don't know everyone. Maybe all of the big players know eachother but there are alot of players that play on the skirts.

Just because people aren't complaining openly about it doesn't mean it's not broken. I know of dozens of players that are just waiting for that little popup that they've been banned from logging in because they maybe vote abused 3 or 4 years ago. Those are the kind of people that this system would serve to potentially preserve, depending on evidence of course

 

Yes. The fact that you can sense bias right now shows that its not going to work.

As much as I hate rwters and vote abusers, I myself cannot guarantee I would give a fair vote if a real life friend of mine was caught cheating without my knowledge and if I was put in a spot I cannot say for certain I would give a fair vote.

Sure you can say the jury will be carefully vetted by GMs to ensure fairness but ask yourself honestly if theres a single person on this server that would choose to go by the book for a 2d mushroom game rather than maintain a real relationship with a friend.

 

Well like Jury duty, you excuse yourself by making it known that you are unable to provide an unbiased judgement due to reason A or B.
And that's fair enough, you definitely shouldn't be expected to.
Well we are supposed to go by the book to not get banned and I say yes, some of the people I know here would be able to choose based on circumstances. Would it be biased? Probably, so they should excuse themselves. However evildoers exist and rather than chop both their hands off when they do the thing, maybe giving some of them prosthetics after learning to cope without hands for 6 months might rehabilitate them.

As a side note, I am aware that this will likely open a floodgate of people that have been banned over the years requesting this service and it will definitely be requested of everyone that is banned moving forward however I feel that with some fine tuning, this idea will bear fruit.

 

I dont think you understand how a jury works.

But this is a mushroom game so I'll explain it briefly.

A juror (Person on jury duty) cannot excuse himself/herself from giving a decision. Its always a yes/no situation.
If they dont agree to the conviction, they have to acquit, i.e. let the defendant go free.
The decision has to be unanimous a.k.a. 100% in favour. If one does not agree, they will have to discuss all over again.
I will not be touching on majority vote.

You mentioned that some of the people you know here would be able to choose based on circumstances. How would you know that? How can you say for certain without a shred of doubt that they mean what they say? I am unsure if I should label that as overly optimistic or mildly delusional.

Maybe we should toss the 'jury' system aside because its highly likely to create more problems before it can solve any of the current ones we have.

 

That's a large under-estimation of my experience on your part. During the selection process, you may excuse yourself if you are unable to provide an unbiased decision based on the case or the people involved, maybe I should educate you

I can say without a shred of doubt because the people I talk to are the people who play on the skirts, they have nothing to gain and nothing to lose. Hell, I didn't think i'd be defending this idea as much as I am, you need to be a little less black and white, invite a little grey into your thinking.

 

You are assuming people would speak up.

If you dont know how filthily deceitful the royals community can be, Im willing to bet on it that if someone is up for jury duty and has a case involving his/her friend, they would stick on the panel just to ensure their friend gets acquitted.

You dont have to educate me on something I have a career in but thanks for the offer.

 

Welp, that explains your bias and black/white thinking. Good chat

 

Since we've reached the point of passive aggressive IQ-flexing, the proper term is to "recuse" yourself, not "excuse" yourself. And for the record, in most countries you cannot recuse yourself from jury duty this way.

 

Good comment!
Any constructive feedback on the idea or just picking on the terminology?

 

I think I should have some time to reply to what you said
It's been more than a year since I finished my military service and got a job
In fact, when I received the ban message, I took a closer look to know how much impact this matter had on the whole server. I also said before that I had played other private servers, and they didn't pay much attention to the problem of multiple voting.

So actually, I was very sorry at that time, because to be honest, I didn't open the account of the discussion area until I was really ban. I looked at the TOS of the server carefully and knew what mistakes I had made.

But you said that these people have no apology or anything. I think this sentence is a little too much. To be honest, in fact, I have been entangled in this matter for about half a year. One part is that I have done illegal things for this server, and the other part is that I am sorry for my friends who have been with me for so long.

Having said so much, let's get back to the point

After I was ban, I checked ban apps many times to see what everyone said and what happened. Of course, there are hacker, RWT and vote abuse players like me. Some people are really just a little naughty, but there are also some articles like the "bellac" I saw recently, with complete malicious and planned attacks.
In short, what I want to say is that the second chance is really hard to consider, but I think you can directly set up an independent page for "convicted" players to provide some data or guarantee, and let those players who really have the opportunity to repent rejoin the game. After all, no one is perfect, and they will always make some mistakes on the road of life.

Finally, let's talk about it

Did you know that there is a discord group called bannedroyals

Basically, some players have been banned, some are hackers, some are simple abuse, some are people with too vicious mouths, but some players continue to play behind the official name change for a long time. According to him, he has been reborn for five years. In short, I have contacted these people. I understand that some people are really bad, but some people have room to correct, For example, I just mentioned that the player didn't do the same thing again after he returned to the game. In fact, I don't think everyone needs to be permanently banned.
Then there are some players who haven't been caught, but when I tell them about this, their final answer is usually: [anyway, even if I start doing the right thing now, I can't guarantee that I will be banned in the future when I make other mistakes, or if they really want to investigate, why do I have to correct it?]
It's a bit like this, because they must have a way to investigate your previous problems in the future. Why should they make corrections now? Anyway, the outcome will be the same?

Let me give another example

In some countries, their possession of drugs such as "marijuana" is exempted from crime. Of course, this will be the case under some conditions.
Then they will reduce the number of people who risk their lives because of their needs.

What I want to say in the above example is that sometimes using too tough laws or means will be like what I just said,

Even if the person who is still committing a crime has no reason to abandon the secret and turn to the light, it will also distort the whole system, even if he has a good intention at the beginning.

 

I sincerely think that some extra issues should be addressed with more people in charge, you wanted to double the people in charge, I mean more GMs, and two more administrators, this sounds like a distant dream, but it is possible to fulfill !

eye pls, I'm using translator

 

I didn't make it through all of the comments on this thread, so apologies if I am off topic at all.

https://royals.ms/forum/threads/appeal.135079/

But in support of @Becca and the information she provided on the first page of responses, I personally was permanently banned back in 2019 soon after I initially joined this server. I was upfront about the situation, and the Admin's did in fact take the time to confirm everything that I had said. It's unfortunate that other people abuse the situations and twist the story. I think people who were upfront about their situation, deserve over others, a more lenient ban. However it's possible my opinion is biased.

The GM's/Admin's are not the bad guys.