Community Blacklist

The rs was not only bought once. It was bought twice. Its troll to put it in the store yes, but to buy it multiple times would seem like the buyer was almost 100% fault at that point. Unlike bundle scams which are mostly hard to detect, this was pretty straight forward. I don't see how this is blacklist worthy but hey..

 

@sids are you watching this ?

 

I think you should read some other reply I had done. There is no double that you said I bought it twitce. And I said that I will pay for what I did in mistake. So why not just consider some other points we all metioned.
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No doubt he should've responded to you. Its 50/50 it seems. Kinda troll to put up in shop as well as troll to buy it! For the outfit change thing, it looks like hes a low lvl char with a broomstick which seems to be a washing character probably? Maybe he just wanted a different look Good luck with your situation hope everything goes well.

 

It's weird of you to assume that people are mad because they "don't put in the effort to complete the HT quest."

The reason why this behavior needs to be deterred is because you selfishly increase the amount of effort everyone in the community needs to put into a core gameplay mechanic in this server for like 20m. I have personally advised many of my friends and guild members, if I ever spot someone or hear of someone hunting manons, to stop doing so. Most of them thankfully listened to me, after I explained how this sort of activity hurts others. I suppose to you they were just idiots making it easier for you to farm nx.

You keep hiding behind the server rules, claiming that if the admins wanted it banned it would be illegal. But again, these are not ban appeals. "Bad leech" isn't illegal in any way shape or form, but people get blacklisted for it. Likewise "ruining APQ" or "leaving LHC" or "loot stealing" or "refusing to share splits" or a variety of other perfectly legal activities that this community has decided to be unacceptable behavior.

Some of the more conservative members of this community might throw up their hands and say, "well I don't like it, but it's not against the rules." I see that mentality already present in some replies. To that, I can only say that for whatever the wider perception of the community blacklist may be, and it is admittedly poor, consider that if we could not centrally agree on critical rules as a community then we would not be able to have very nice things indeed. Imagine a world where people threw their hands up and said boss loot sniping is allowed because it's not against the rules - we'd end up in a world where everyone just dashes for valuable drops the moment the boss died. A world where everyone is more invested in running after apples that drop from others' boxes, than maximizing max coverage. But we don't do that, because we chose not to.

And we can choose not to put up with this either.

I would go so far as to venture that if this community cannot rally together and declare this sort of activity blacklistable, then the community blacklist is unable to fulfill its intended purpose, and should be retired as the mere relic of a bygone era it has become.

But then, perhaps it already is.

 

You skipped a lot of details and just focusing about buy it twice. I think you dont even look the the contact of the first quote. I already said that if ppl want charge about my mistake which is buy the things twice and dont looking carefully,then yes absultely at this point I have problem. And I also mention that I contact him with no anwser for now, If not guilt why just not face me so many time?
I put the outfit change and the new character of him not for pointing out his purpose and intent.
Cause when he put those two redsock like that,mark a nomal price of clean one ,his goal is clean.
Not like you said just like placeholder. Not to mention about he is not answer me in anyway. Just like a nomal seller to take a store point,It is either listed as an unpurchasable or as a normal price for a spot rather than the price at which the item being slightly below the market average.

And for me ,I do mind he is on blacklist to prevent more things like this happen at the beginning. But As now I dont mind. Seem 50/50 ppl support and not support for this. I just wish everyone not need to get lost in this way.

And for For the sake of everyone's enjoyment of the game and the good spirit of the community, Such behaviour should not be ignored,or it will be like that over time more ppl starts to cheat like that.

 

Some very valid points in your post.

Who gets to decide what a "core gameplay mechanic is"?
Is it killing horntail?
Is it completing quests?
Is it collecting exp?
Is it collecting nx?
Is it just killing bosses for fun?
Forget about the 20m for a sec, even if someone wants to kill Manon just to see it die, what makes them more important than someone trying to produce dragon elixer?

 

I am confused, should I stop hunting Pianus just because people may need certificate, and stop hunting Bigfoot because people may need Bigfoot's Toe? How do I predict when people need untradable items/kill from certain area bosses? Ofc people and I who are kind enough would smega/announce in buddy/guild chat beforehand but it's not obligated. It's just all about getting benefit from putting in effort and being punished by own laziness. If you ask me to leave out certain untradable items/kill you may need, yes it's much welcomed and not hurt at all to me. But if you ask me to prevent from touching certain area bosses, then you're hurting me.

 

Can y'all stop making false comparisons to area bosses that aren't required for people to run one of the most popular pieces of content in royals? Wayyyyyyy fewer card hunters/questers and certs are 100% optional.

 

If you are questioning about the popularity of certain contents, another example I can think of is multiple channel/mage farming, some people may bring 4~6 mages to hug multiple ulu1 maps and farm 10+ hours a day during LNY event, and others may have a hard time of finding an empty map if they need anything there. I think it's valid to compare it to Hunting Manon based on your concept, and what's your idea of blacklisting those disgusting farmers?

 

i don't see a difference

EDIT: I'm not requesting a blacklist, this is highly sarcastic just trying to make a point

 

guy was doing HT preq, asked if you would like to stay for the kill. You okay?

 

I might not have read everything as good as I shouldve before weighing in this lovely discussion.

Allthough I can make up a few things.
Someone kills a area-boss and was a dick to someone and now it looks like 90% of the playerbase wants this guy Blacklisted.

First of all. Are you suprised that someone goes full defense mode when being portraited as a horrible person by a lot of people? He might be, he might not be.
Also are you guys aware that not everyone is a native english speaker? it's hard to be nuanced when you're not.

Anyway. About the Manon-thing.
When I returned after a long break of Royals last summer, having only played as Mage and Islander, I had this DK leeched to level 135 with bare minimum gear. Thinking of what someone can do in this game I figured Griphey and Manon were an easy start.

I would go to Leafre like 3-4 times per week and at any given random time do a round of Griph and Manon. Both of them would ALWAYS be there. Less than 10 of either at any given time or day of the week would be rare. I had never crossed my mind that someone could not find either of these 2 at any point in time.

I have helped countless people, guilds, HT-parties, skill-prequesters get their kills. About 90% of the time they would jump in the map. "No Manon cc5" and cc 6. "No Manon cc6." and cc7 I go into cc5, Kill 1 mob. Manon Spawns. "no Manon cc7"I go into cc6, kill 1 mob. Manon Spawns. I cc7, I kill 1 mob, Manon spawns.....
You might see where this is going.

At some point I told my guild I was hunting them and they told me hunting Manon was toxic for reasons I understand now and I stopped doing this ever since.

Saying hunting these bosses is giving you nothing is complete bullshit.
It takes 15-20 minutes to kill 20 Griphey and another 15-20 to kill 20 Manon. That is about 20 Energizers. Some nice SB, about 5-10k nx, some elixirs and once in a while not a defense scroll.
Ok, 20 of both is fairly uncommon. Nonetheless, I was averaging about 25-35 kills per random Leafre visit.
For an area boss that easy and fast to kill. It is decent profitable that is available to lower level noobs with trash gear.

Honestly, if a game has contested content. That is fully 100% the choice of its designers. Players will always do what is optimal for their time.
Yes, Manon and Griphey hunting is very valid way of spending your time on this server. It might hurt some social relations with the people on this forum and you will gain friends for all those you have helped out finding and getting their Manon kills.
Zakum is not guaranteeing me a 40m profit in 30 minutes. Neither is Papu, Chao or Ephenia. However you can easily do this 6 times per day if you have nothing else do with your life.

It is ridiculous that you guys want this guy on the Blacklist and not those that have shared google docs timers for the ToT Bosses, Pianus, Leviathan and whatever.
You know who you are, I know who you are, most of you are my friends that would always helped me and others out getting their kills when they needed. Same as every Griph/Manon farmer I have ever met.

Fair people "need" Manon more than they need the other bosses.
I fully agree with the man saying that he puts in the effort to kill them and that these people complaining feel entitled to their Manon kills without putting in any effort. It's an open world game, with contested content. That is by choice of its designers.
There have been alternatives suggested in the feedback section about this and nothing has been changed. Thats on Royals, not on this guy.

 

An invalid argument, I think, as the purpose of the blacklist is to make certain undesirable behaviors unoptimal. It would be optimal mesos to loot MW20 and Gen30 when it drops from HT and keep it for yourself. It then becomes suboptimal, as you get lambasted across the community and everyone refuses to run bosses with you anymore.

That is the point of this discussion, yet predicate your argument based on it. Yes, the developers have not improved the situation, so we call on the community to try.

 

ok so are you saying, to avoid blacklist, it's only acceptable to kill (1) Manon at a time ONLY for the sole purpose of HT preq? am i understanding that correctly?
are we not supposed to touch the manons unless we're doing it for the quest?

 

Sure, or job advance. What other reason is there to hunt manon? Maybe a quest, I dunno. But I doubt there's a reason to kill more than one at a time. If there is, let me know.

I do like the suggestion in the other thread to remove manon rewards to remove the temptation altogether.

 

I do not think that you are making a fair comparison.
Any MMO in existence requires players to share loot engaging in group content. Maplestory has been one of the few that has auto-FFA loot. Still I have never been in a situation were someone intentionally ninjalooted gen20 and logged out after a Zakum Run.
It is optimal to scam everybody at every occasion possible. Compared to other MMO's that is non-existant in Royals. Also almost every other MMO has been designed so that FFA looting at bosses is not a thing and that you can trade more than 9 apr without dropping for a cs.

This is open-world, solo-content that anyone can do at any time of the day AND is very much worth your time with very low requirements. That is by choice of design.
These bosses respawn relatively quickly for MMO standards, on an uncommon 20 different channels instead of 1 world. There are a lot of chances for everybody to get a kill.

Yes, there are better things to do with your time than to hunt these bosses and some people are negatively affected by it if you do.

Why is this any different than hunting the other bosses? No one needs to kill Horntail. No one needs to complete their Monster Book. No one needs the certificates and no one needs to do the ToT questline.
Are some of these thing fairly optimal or fun to do? Definitly.
So is hunting Gripphey and Manon.

I think it ridiculous to blacklist someone for playing the game. Nobody will know that it is frowned upon to do so until someone tells them.

Reasons to hunt Griph+Manon. Consistent 40m profit in 30-40 minutes that a level 135 char with 50m gear can do solo.

 

Agree strongly on absolutely every single point in this excellent post. Indeed it is unsurprising that the reported guy has become so defensive. He's getting labelled as toxic and a bad person (even by people who don't tend to quickly label people with those words...) all because he killed Manons, and that is such a sensitive issue in this server. And indeed, the shared google doc timers for other area bosses is far more antisocial. It was not the game design for numerous groups to do almost daily HT runs. It was supposed to be challenging to go to HT, and part of that challenge was to hunt down a boss that will be difficult to find, due to being highly hunted.

I stand by what I said in the feedback thread though - just remove the Manon cry requirement if that is what is needed to cut back on the drama in this community. If it makes HT easier to get into and causes deflation of HT drops, then so be it. Seems like a price worth paying just to restore peace and allow Manon hunters to hunt Manon in peace and quiet again without getting called toxic and triggering 3+ pages worth of arguing on the community blacklist.

 

Answer has already been given in this thread vvv

 

The culture here is if you hunt all the manons, you will get a bunch of hatred. So it’s not about it’s bannable or not.
I’m not gonna say hunting manons is a right or wrong thing. But I understand how it feels when trying desperately to find just one manon for the quest.
To prevent this thing from happening over and over again (it did happen thousands times since a long time ago but never has a solution), either the GMs remove the nx, skill books and gizer dropped from manon or they adjust the exilir quest.
But again, talking about the culture here, I think a lot of people enjoy the dramas like this? So I don’t know if they should fix this or not. Oops