Community Blacklist

You skipped a lot of details and just focusing about buy it twice. I think you dont even look the the contact of the first quote. I already said that if ppl want charge about my mistake which is buy the things twice and dont looking carefully,then yes absultely at this point I have problem. And I also mention that I contact him with no anwser for now, If not guilt why just not face me so many time?
I put the outfit change and the new character of him not for pointing out his purpose and intent.
Cause when he put those two redsock like that,mark a nomal price of clean one ,his goal is clean.
Not like you said just like placeholder. Not to mention about he is not answer me in anyway. Just like a nomal seller to take a store point,It is either listed as an unpurchasable or as a normal price for a spot rather than the price at which the item being slightly below the market average.

And for me ,I do mind he is on blacklist to prevent more things like this happen at the beginning. But As now I dont mind. Seem 50/50 ppl support and not support for this. I just wish everyone not need to get lost in this way.

And for For the sake of everyone's enjoyment of the game and the good spirit of the community, Such behaviour should not be ignored,or it will be like that over time more ppl starts to cheat like that.

 

Some very valid points in your post.

Who gets to decide what a "core gameplay mechanic is"?
Is it killing horntail?
Is it completing quests?
Is it collecting exp?
Is it collecting nx?
Is it just killing bosses for fun?
Forget about the 20m for a sec, even if someone wants to kill Manon just to see it die, what makes them more important than someone trying to produce dragon elixer?

 

I am confused, should I stop hunting Pianus just because people may need certificate, and stop hunting Bigfoot because people may need Bigfoot's Toe? How do I predict when people need untradable items/kill from certain area bosses? Ofc people and I who are kind enough would smega/announce in buddy/guild chat beforehand but it's not obligated. It's just all about getting benefit from putting in effort and being punished by own laziness. If you ask me to leave out certain untradable items/kill you may need, yes it's much welcomed and not hurt at all to me. But if you ask me to prevent from touching certain area bosses, then you're hurting me.

 

Can y'all stop making false comparisons to area bosses that aren't required for people to run one of the most popular pieces of content in royals? Wayyyyyyy fewer card hunters/questers and certs are 100% optional.

 

If you are questioning about the popularity of certain contents, another example I can think of is multiple channel/mage farming, some people may bring 4~6 mages to hug multiple ulu1 maps and farm 10+ hours a day during LNY event, and others may have a hard time of finding an empty map if they need anything there. I think it's valid to compare it to Hunting Manon based on your concept, and what's your idea of blacklisting those disgusting farmers?

 

i don't see a difference

EDIT: I'm not requesting a blacklist, this is highly sarcastic just trying to make a point

 

guy was doing HT preq, asked if you would like to stay for the kill. You okay?

 

I might not have read everything as good as I shouldve before weighing in this lovely discussion.

Allthough I can make up a few things.
Someone kills a area-boss and was a dick to someone and now it looks like 90% of the playerbase wants this guy Blacklisted.

First of all. Are you suprised that someone goes full defense mode when being portraited as a horrible person by a lot of people? He might be, he might not be.
Also are you guys aware that not everyone is a native english speaker? it's hard to be nuanced when you're not.

Anyway. About the Manon-thing.
When I returned after a long break of Royals last summer, having only played as Mage and Islander, I had this DK leeched to level 135 with bare minimum gear. Thinking of what someone can do in this game I figured Griphey and Manon were an easy start.

I would go to Leafre like 3-4 times per week and at any given random time do a round of Griph and Manon. Both of them would ALWAYS be there. Less than 10 of either at any given time or day of the week would be rare. I had never crossed my mind that someone could not find either of these 2 at any point in time.

I have helped countless people, guilds, HT-parties, skill-prequesters get their kills. About 90% of the time they would jump in the map. "No Manon cc5" and cc 6. "No Manon cc6." and cc7 I go into cc5, Kill 1 mob. Manon Spawns. "no Manon cc7"I go into cc6, kill 1 mob. Manon Spawns. I cc7, I kill 1 mob, Manon spawns.....
You might see where this is going.

At some point I told my guild I was hunting them and they told me hunting Manon was toxic for reasons I understand now and I stopped doing this ever since.

Saying hunting these bosses is giving you nothing is complete bullshit.
It takes 15-20 minutes to kill 20 Griphey and another 15-20 to kill 20 Manon. That is about 20 Energizers. Some nice SB, about 5-10k nx, some elixirs and once in a while not a defense scroll.
Ok, 20 of both is fairly uncommon. Nonetheless, I was averaging about 25-35 kills per random Leafre visit.
For an area boss that easy and fast to kill. It is decent profitable that is available to lower level noobs with trash gear.

Honestly, if a game has contested content. That is fully 100% the choice of its designers. Players will always do what is optimal for their time.
Yes, Manon and Griphey hunting is very valid way of spending your time on this server. It might hurt some social relations with the people on this forum and you will gain friends for all those you have helped out finding and getting their Manon kills.
Zakum is not guaranteeing me a 40m profit in 30 minutes. Neither is Papu, Chao or Ephenia. However you can easily do this 6 times per day if you have nothing else do with your life.

It is ridiculous that you guys want this guy on the Blacklist and not those that have shared google docs timers for the ToT Bosses, Pianus, Leviathan and whatever.
You know who you are, I know who you are, most of you are my friends that would always helped me and others out getting their kills when they needed. Same as every Griph/Manon farmer I have ever met.

Fair people "need" Manon more than they need the other bosses.
I fully agree with the man saying that he puts in the effort to kill them and that these people complaining feel entitled to their Manon kills without putting in any effort. It's an open world game, with contested content. That is by choice of its designers.
There have been alternatives suggested in the feedback section about this and nothing has been changed. Thats on Royals, not on this guy.

 

An invalid argument, I think, as the purpose of the blacklist is to make certain undesirable behaviors unoptimal. It would be optimal mesos to loot MW20 and Gen30 when it drops from HT and keep it for yourself. It then becomes suboptimal, as you get lambasted across the community and everyone refuses to run bosses with you anymore.

That is the point of this discussion, yet predicate your argument based on it. Yes, the developers have not improved the situation, so we call on the community to try.

 

ok so are you saying, to avoid blacklist, it's only acceptable to kill (1) Manon at a time ONLY for the sole purpose of HT preq? am i understanding that correctly?
are we not supposed to touch the manons unless we're doing it for the quest?

 

Sure, or job advance. What other reason is there to hunt manon? Maybe a quest, I dunno. But I doubt there's a reason to kill more than one at a time. If there is, let me know.

I do like the suggestion in the other thread to remove manon rewards to remove the temptation altogether.

 

I do not think that you are making a fair comparison.
Any MMO in existence requires players to share loot engaging in group content. Maplestory has been one of the few that has auto-FFA loot. Still I have never been in a situation were someone intentionally ninjalooted gen20 and logged out after a Zakum Run.
It is optimal to scam everybody at every occasion possible. Compared to other MMO's that is non-existant in Royals. Also almost every other MMO has been designed so that FFA looting at bosses is not a thing and that you can trade more than 9 apr without dropping for a cs.

This is open-world, solo-content that anyone can do at any time of the day AND is very much worth your time with very low requirements. That is by choice of design.
These bosses respawn relatively quickly for MMO standards, on an uncommon 20 different channels instead of 1 world. There are a lot of chances for everybody to get a kill.

Yes, there are better things to do with your time than to hunt these bosses and some people are negatively affected by it if you do.

Why is this any different than hunting the other bosses? No one needs to kill Horntail. No one needs to complete their Monster Book. No one needs the certificates and no one needs to do the ToT questline.
Are some of these thing fairly optimal or fun to do? Definitly.
So is hunting Gripphey and Manon.

I think it ridiculous to blacklist someone for playing the game. Nobody will know that it is frowned upon to do so until someone tells them.

Reasons to hunt Griph+Manon. Consistent 40m profit in 30-40 minutes that a level 135 char with 50m gear can do solo.

 

The culture here is if you hunt all the manons, you will get a bunch of hatred. So it’s not about it’s bannable or not.
I’m not gonna say hunting manons is a right or wrong thing. But I understand how it feels when trying desperately to find just one manon for the quest.
To prevent this thing from happening over and over again (it did happen thousands times since a long time ago but never has a solution), either the GMs remove the nx, skill books and gizer dropped from manon or they adjust the exilir quest.
But again, talking about the culture here, I think a lot of people enjoy the dramas like this? So I don’t know if they should fix this or not. Oops

 

If an adjustment is going to happen, the same goes to Pink Bean prequest (when it will ever be released) to prevent people from wiping Dodo, Lilynouch, and Lyka.

 

That quest require drop from tot bosses.
How about ht quest change to require manon and griffrey drop?

 

your behavior is like grabbing the full pack of tissues from a mall cuz u know they gonna renew them asap for more customers in need , and you blame those ppl not bringing it on them, which is the worst part and lead it to this situation.

 

Okay I thought this conversation will end yesterday but I didn't expect to continue. I read everybody comment and I am just gonna put everything here

Firstly, I am glad that there are people who think the same as me. Not saying that I am glad that I have comrades to defend me but I am just glad that this is still a free for all game to a certain extent and not a game where certain group could just make up rules to make their life easier. Because the maplestory where I want to reminiscent is a game where everybody is given equal chance and everyone is required to put in effort to hunt and grind for stuff that they really want.

Let's get it straight first, I am not trying to be defensive or trying to start a revolution here. I am just trying to enjoy this game as what it is designed to be while not breaking any rules which could result me getting banned. I find joy in killing bosses that would spawn at a certain time as nothing can be more satisfying in finding a boss that will spawn with uncertainty than a boss that will 100% spawn. I am not trying to go against anyone who is hunting manon for HT quest, It just so happen that you are competing with me. And as I said, if you spend the effort to enter the manon forest and you see me killing it, you are in luck because I will share with you.

Sure, you have your own perspective that I am making HT runners' life difficult. However, I also have my own perspective that I put in the effort to hunt manon for mesos and I have the right to kill it if I found one. You have no right to decide that running HT should have a higher priority than people who are earning mesos in killing manon. No one owes each other a living.

Sure you may argue "Ohhh we should create a happy world in mapleroyal", but let's operate in reality. I started my first account as NL and there was a certain time when I was interested to join HT. However, everybody is asking me for my range, mule, HP, etc and I just did not meet the cut. So since I was not welcome in the HT party to earn mesos, I could only earn mesos by killing various bosses and manon is one of the profitable ones. And I really find it sustainable and it had helped me to achieve great gears. Yeah, so screw your "happy world" because you guys will also deny people to enjoy contents and make their experience bad too. I accepted the fact that I was not a good NL and had to find the hard ways to earn mesos and I commited to it, and you guys should also accept the fact that HT pre-quest requires some commitment to clear as well. Stop being a hypocrite and victimize yourself when things do not go in your way.

To be honest, at this point, I really do not care if I am blacklisted here or labelled as "unlikeable" and "toxic" in this forum. In fact, I would find it funny if I am blacklisted as "Manon Killer" here and I would hold great pride in it because that's what I do for my living in mapleroyal. Initially, I do respect this list as I recalled that someone had told me before that there is a APQ blacklist in this forum. I presume is this. However, if this list is gonna be a "I hate this guy for doing this so lets shame him!" kind of list, then not only me but many would surely lose respect on this list because anyone could be added here unknowingly just because a certain group of people do not like what they are doing. Because honestly, it just shows that this list is here to please this group of people instead of blacklisting people who are indeed harming or creating a destructive environment in this game eg scam, apple stealer, loot stealer, etc.