Community Blacklist

If an adjustment is going to happen, the same goes to Pink Bean prequest (when it will ever be released) to prevent people from wiping Dodo, Lilynouch, and Lyka.

 

That quest require drop from tot bosses.
How about ht quest change to require manon and griffrey drop?

 

your behavior is like grabbing the full pack of tissues from a mall cuz u know they gonna renew them asap for more customers in need , and you blame those ppl not bringing it on them, which is the worst part and lead it to this situation.

 

Okay I thought this conversation will end yesterday but I didn't expect to continue. I read everybody comment and I am just gonna put everything here

Firstly, I am glad that there are people who think the same as me. Not saying that I am glad that I have comrades to defend me but I am just glad that this is still a free for all game to a certain extent and not a game where certain group could just make up rules to make their life easier. Because the maplestory where I want to reminiscent is a game where everybody is given equal chance and everyone is required to put in effort to hunt and grind for stuff that they really want.

Let's get it straight first, I am not trying to be defensive or trying to start a revolution here. I am just trying to enjoy this game as what it is designed to be while not breaking any rules which could result me getting banned. I find joy in killing bosses that would spawn at a certain time as nothing can be more satisfying in finding a boss that will spawn with uncertainty than a boss that will 100% spawn. I am not trying to go against anyone who is hunting manon for HT quest, It just so happen that you are competing with me. And as I said, if you spend the effort to enter the manon forest and you see me killing it, you are in luck because I will share with you.

Sure, you have your own perspective that I am making HT runners' life difficult. However, I also have my own perspective that I put in the effort to hunt manon for mesos and I have the right to kill it if I found one. You have no right to decide that running HT should have a higher priority than people who are earning mesos in killing manon. No one owes each other a living.

Sure you may argue "Ohhh we should create a happy world in mapleroyal", but let's operate in reality. I started my first account as NL and there was a certain time when I was interested to join HT. However, everybody is asking me for my range, mule, HP, etc and I just did not meet the cut. So since I was not welcome in the HT party to earn mesos, I could only earn mesos by killing various bosses and manon is one of the profitable ones. And I really find it sustainable and it had helped me to achieve great gears. Yeah, so screw your "happy world" because you guys will also deny people to enjoy contents and make their experience bad too. I accepted the fact that I was not a good NL and had to find the hard ways to earn mesos and I commited to it, and you guys should also accept the fact that HT pre-quest requires some commitment to clear as well. Stop being a hypocrite and victimize yourself when things do not go in your way.

To be honest, at this point, I really do not care if I am blacklisted here or labelled as "unlikeable" and "toxic" in this forum. In fact, I would find it funny if I am blacklisted as "Manon Killer" here and I would hold great pride in it because that's what I do for my living in mapleroyal. Initially, I do respect this list as I recalled that someone had told me before that there is a APQ blacklist in this forum. I presume is this. However, if this list is gonna be a "I hate this guy for doing this so lets shame him!" kind of list, then not only me but many would surely lose respect on this list because anyone could be added here unknowingly just because a certain group of people do not like what they are doing. Because honestly, it just shows that this list is here to please this group of people instead of blacklisting people who are indeed harming or creating a destructive environment in this game eg scam, apple stealer, loot stealer, etc.

 

to u it might be worthless, to others, we dont know buddy.

 

If ppl try hard all u have to do is try harder.
No excuse

 

I killed a manon that makes me toxic

 

So.. you've gotten rejected and never done HT? That would explain why you are killing all manons and not giving a fuck about it.

Seriously though, by all means, you are free to do whatever you want in the oh-so-beautiful Maple World as long as it is within the server's ToS.
In my opinion hunting Manon for 250 nx, a gizer and negligible amount of mesos is just a bit toxic.
Most people, especially the ones that have participated in HT runs know it's kind of an unwritten rule to not kill all Manon.
Hell, there even are daily/weekly cringy smegas by people 'accusing' their friend to have killed all Manon in an attempt to be funny.

On itself though, I don't think it is forum blacklist worthy. In-game though, I would probably blacklist you for that.
Now, I can imagine that your whole response to the situation on the last 4-5 forum pages would make people lean towards forum blacklist after all.

 

I remember being a fresh 4th job bm and finding out manon dropped cool stuff. I killed a few and then found out that it hurts the bossing community, so I stopped because I'm not a dickhead. Go get "rich" from your gizers and 250 nx lmao. Ultimately I blame Matt, but even if its drops are nerfed people will still kill it just because they're bored/dicks. Just more barriers and disparity between the people who want to boss with friends to earn mesos and the mages who isolate and farm for 200m+ an hour.

 

I think there were enough discussions about whether he should be blacklisted, so I am moving to other topics that will be brought up by some questions I have in mind.

How should this game be played? I believe the majority don't have a clear answer and this leads to various style of playing we have here, and is a part of fun this game has.

Apparently no one can decide. This game contains various contents we can enjoy from, no one should be pleasing others because of what he/she enjoys from is less popular.

I believe most of us do what we either find fun or get benefit from. @gachaboi123 clearly stated he finds it profitable (it still drops 1k and 5k nx card tho). Similarly, I find farming is more profitable and shouldn't be blamed for not joining HT runs. What we think don't always apply to others.

What's the definition of "hurting the bossing community"? If it's "making more limitation for others to form a HT group", then I am also hurting the bossing community because I rather farm than provide SE, a scarcity of the bossing community, and end up leading others to cancel the run.

Correct me if I am missing any point. After all, @gachaboi123 even though I know it's not really wrong, I would recommend to move on (not difficult imo) after knowing it's less welcomed by the community, if you are willing to provide a little piece of peace to the world.

 

Firstly, your reply here clearly shows that you did one of these 2 things. You have either cherry-picked what you wanted to read from my response or you took things out of context. Allow me to be clear what I meant in my 4th paragraph. Everyone should play this game however they want as long as they are not breaking mapleroyal rules or disrupting the community of mapleroyal in a malicious way. And when the community I am referring to is EVERYONE, not just you HT runners who are whining about manon spawn all day long. And the reason why I shared my experience on why I got rejected from HT is not to say I want to take revenge. What I meant was everyone should have the right to play however they want. You as a player has no right to set any rules as you don't get any privilege here just because you are a veteran HT runners. If anyone wants me to stop hunting manon, it will be GM or owner of the game asking me.

It boils down to this. You are hunting manon for HT quest and I am hunting manon for mesos. We are just competing for manon. Please stop trying to paint me as a villain here just because you are either unlucky or maybe you just choose not to put in as much effort as me to hunt.

I think you have really underestimated manon's drop. Allow me to share with you how I earned my mesos from manon.

Phoenix 30: 20 ~ 40m
Dragon Strike 30: 20 ~ 30m
Guardian 30: 10 ~ 30m
Achilles 30: Used to be 70m ++ but now is 5m to 10m after after some mobs from ellin forest will drop
Holy Shield 30: 10 ~ 20m

Price will definitely fluctuate and can be below the stated range but it is decent mesos for people who just started the game
If lucky you can get 5k NX. If even luckier, you can get above average or perf weapon which worth 20m ~ 150m

I have been doing this for 2 years and 30% of my mesos came from manon's hunt to purchase perf claw, wa equipments, rings, mtk, etc. So hope that justified more why I want to hunt manon and hunting manon is not troll you guys.

Like I said, I really could not care less if I am getting blacklisted or not. Seriously..instead of spending so much time thinking on how to convince the community to blacklist me or requesting GM to make HT quest easier. Why not spend this time to go and hunt for manon to clear your HT quest?

And yes I have done my part by allowing people who enter my manon map to share the manon.
Extra commentary**But if you don't even want to surf the channel to find manon, I just feel you are entitled, lazy and just looking for easy way out.

 

You know, I was going to lay this thread to rest as it seemed relatively settled, but this is such an unbelievably brain dead take that I feel the need to enlighten you.

You ever notice that near every time you go to manon there's tons of them available to be farmed? Such easy money, right? Fast kills, decent income. You must think you're the genius who figured out the secret money making method and everyone else is an idiot for not following suit.

Newsflash: those manons exist because 99% of the community leave them be. You benefit from the lack of competition you so ignorantly deride, because everyone who can snap a manon in half in 10 seconds does not scythe through every channel in 5 minutes, having the slightest modicum of decency which you entirely seem to lack.

In this idealized world of "competitive" manon hunting that you seem to have built up in your head, I assure you you would not see a single one for the rest of your life. Nobody's trying to enforce this new, unreasonable rule on you out of nowhere. People have taught you about this common rule both implicit and explicit that near-everyone but you follows, and you are the only one refusing to follow suit. That's how you wound up on the blacklist, not this mysterious cabal of elites who everyone is looking to please at your expense.

Jesus Christ. And you speak of entitlement. Perhaps the lesson here is that every manon should be killed on the hour, every hour, so no manon hunter can ever profit again. That'd be such a fun way to play this server, right?

Imagine caring about other people's experiences.

P.S.

Never killed more than 1 manon at a time, for elixirs only. Played no more than 2 months on that char. Card hunting does not require that you block every manon spawn for hours and hours.

 

But you are knowlingly DISRUPTING a large portion of the community of Mapleroyals. Maybe not maliciously but still you are disrupting many people, not just a few.

I must say, to "quote" Dave Deviluke from the beginning that "context matters".

And by every of your responses here, you more and more shift the whole situation towards you being intentionally stubborn by depicting some childish dog-eat-dog-oh-so-hard-kill-or-die world that you why so ever choose to live in - hence it more and more becomes like you are actually toxic and deserve to be on a blacklist, simply just because you dont know when to stop (in conversation as well as in manon hunting). If you were just peacefully hunting Manon so what, but this whole conversation here gives the impression that you are indeed finding joy and purpose in denying Manon to others.
Like someone said already, it seems to be a pretty weird hill to die on ...

On the bright side, this whole thing shows that there is actually no real problem with Manon imo since apart from very few people, for the big majority of people, it seems to work out well and almost everyone gets their things done peacefully (including myself, I never struggled much to find a Manon, despite it being eradicated some days but never for consecutive days of search).

 

if its so profitable as you say it is why are you not selling any of the books in your store?



I don't think people even buy those books at such high costs(at least I wouldn't) you can easily smega for those books and someone could give it to your for free. There is even a royals post giving away free mastery books
Open - G> 4th job mastery books (Joes' Library) | MapleRoyals
In the shop you are selling anego/ellin drops non of which is from manon.

 

Look, I not sure why you guys keep assuming I am here to disturb your HT quest or just finding joy to kill manon. You think I will keep finding joy doing something which I had repeated for 2 years? I am killing Manon to get the loots to sell. If you want manon, just make sure you hunt earlier than me. You found the manon, is yours, I found the manon, is mine. What's so difficult about this?

Let me just be clear again, I am hunting manon for mesos.

That is what I always do and I have never say no to anyone who asked for manon cry or kill.
I can assure you that if I did not do that, I would have ended in this blacklist long time ago

you can read this

 

Brooo, I am free to sell whatever I want and whenever I want. I said 30% is from manon. 70% can be from other stuffs that I hunted from other bosses or from gacha.

That's good and is nice that people are giving the books for free. But I am free to hunt and sell whatever I want. I have been in this skillbook business for 2 years, I know what is valuable and what is not valuable. Sure there will be people who are giving out for free, but not everyone can get it for free

 

Jesus this thread is getting toxic guys, please find somewhere else to discuss this issue.

 

Totally agree with this. I mean look at this, we are clearly steering away from the main topic and someone is even questioning me on what I am selling in my shop which is totally unrelated. I really don't see how we could further discuss this anymore as we both have different stance and no one is willing to budge. Unfortunately, I am pretty sure we had derived nothing fruitful from this discussion as well. You guys could keep accusing me for trying to kill manon for fun or trying to cause disruption. But I would also think that you guys are just lazy and want an easy way out to find manon and clear HT quest. Sounds familiar? Yeahh I have been repeating myself over and over again and I am tired of saying the same thing to rebut. So please just read my previous comment before giving out a more constructive feedback or replies. I had given so many constructive feedbacks and explanations on my action and some of you just love to cherrypicked some of the things I typed and took things out of context sometime.

Also, regarding about this. I am not sure where you get your statistic from. So far, while I am in game, I had no one finding or pm-ing me to complain about hunting manon. The only complaint which I am receiving is from the handful of you here. Conversely, I did receive a handful of pm and replies that I did nothing wrong and should continue to do what I am doing. So yeahh, I am not disrupting many people, just a few of you.

Anyway, since the conclusion is "I am not blacklisted", I guess I have no much left to say because I feel some of you are just trying to dig me to say something toxic for an opportunity to blacklist me. For this blacklist forum to serve the mapleroyal's community better, I will not be commenting about this issue anymore unless a more constructive feedback is given or at least a new thread is made for this. For now, I will continue to do what I have to do.