Notice Introduction of new game rule: Handling real world trade goods

There are people that make anonymous bids. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's an obvious red flag; they just prefer the privacy. I've made anonymous bids too, so does that mean I'm an immediate and obvious red flag

 

Also can we point out it wouldn't be that hard for a RWT to make a Level 150+ character to circumvent this rule and add legitimacy.

 

If you approached me on your uglee char? Nope. If you approached me on some level 30 unknown char? Most certainly and I would probably just ignore you.

 

If the concern is real world traders laundering their goods and players unfairly profiteering from windfalls, wouldn't it just make more sense to create an official policy that simply reverts these trades? What purpose does constructing an unnecessarily complicated rule ultimately serve? I don't quite understand how this new rule would serve to "pin down real world trade even harder" given that these real world traders would be banned regardless--I perceive it purely as attempting to take a moral stance on unfair profiteering. Which is totally reasonable, but I don't think it's possible to effectively and equitably enforce this rule to serve such a purpose. An official policy that simply reverts these trades would allow enforcement without the burdensome process of bans, ban appeals, and repeated investigations. It would allow enforcement without resulting in potentially unfair penalization of players. And lastly, it would still encourage a certain level of due diligence from players, because it's a pain in the ass to anyone to bother completing a trade only to end up having it reverted in the end.

Also constructing and enforcing a new rule to punish a player after the incident is kinda sus tbh

 

I understand that this is an attempt to tackle players operating in the “gray area” aka rwt funds laundering but I personally think that adding this rule is just simply breaking down the bigger patch of “gray area” into smaller ones and would impact legitimate players way more than RWTers.

I would like to have the staff clarify the following few points:

What about high value trades with suspicious individuals at market price? Do we need to do our due diligence before making such a trade as well?

The description of the infraction still seems rather unclear:

If it were to combat laundering, then shouldn’t this only apply to legit players on the buying end and it should not affect players when selling stuffs? Or are we also concerned with the cases when the buyer is paying much higher than market price?

The rest of Tim’s post is however using the term “trade” which covers both buying/selling, so I guess we do mean both ends, but I think the staff should still word the terms better since the “gray area” in question is different for buying/selling:

Personal opinion:
I can tell how much of an auditing nightmare the admins go through when verifying each RWT case since the “gray area” ruins your confidence in pure numbers but I personally don’t think this is the right way to tackle this problem.

 

This is ridiculous.

It's the GM's responsibility to trace down and background check RWTers.

Making it mandatory for players to background check the other party before making a game trade? Bro. Where the GMs at?

Yall got the absolute power to access game databases, trace logs, track players, search items with specific stats. What are you doing? Hosting events every other day?

 

Dear all
About "The breakdown:
8. Handling real world trade goods - This rule was added to make it more difficult for real world traders to launder their goods and to prevent players from profiting off of 'cheap' rwt deals. For the purpose of this rule 'High value' is considered 1 Billion mesos and higher. You're expected to do your due diligence on any trade you plan to make that's valued over 1B by following this checklist:"

I advise valued over should be over 2.2b, because limit in Free Market is about 2.2b

 

I feel like 1b is way to low for this new rule. I don’t think people are gonna risk RWTing to gain 1b - 800m(what you consider much cheaper than market price I think is lower than 20%ish?) 200m at the end of the day.

I feel like the bar should be at 5b ish.

 

Damn and I thought my friends were being overdramatic mass migrating to other pserverd

Guess they knew what I didn't

 

Lol dude it's not the matter of mesos.. it's the fking rules over a free trade system. GM's are forcing you to do their job at the moment which is ridiculous. Nobody has done this in maple history ever. Also 5 bil is nothing man in this server. They are already laughing at this server on other private servers.

 

I mean why not give it a try. If you are merching… well gl, but if ur a legitimate player, how often do you trade something over 5b?

 

While i understand the need to stop RWT as much as possible, you have single handedly decided to fuck the 80-90% of the players who dont engage in any of this. At least take me out to dinner first, maybe let me buy some lube as well.

1Billion is way too little, are you really expecting people to do SO much background check for such a low amount? Man, im here to play and enjoy my time, not have a second job lol I guess if your goal is to get rid of the regular legit players, you're on your way to achieving that and you wont have a RWT problem, you'll just have mostly RWTers still IN the game while everyone else leaves. If i didn't enjoy this game so much i'd quit again , but i just came back from a long break lmao I guess only time will tell what happens, but this is not the way.

If we are talking about items maybe worth over ...15-ish billion, maybe it can work. Not many ppl are probably trading items of that amount ALL the time, so we might only have to do what you ask from us from time to time. Nevertheless, still crazy that a player has to do a job of a GM and we cant make a trade because the item is too cheap based on i guess what the staff will deem "reasonable market value".. there goes the whole "free"-market

Regardless of how i feel, it's your guys' server and you're pleased to do as you see fit with it.

Is there a way to modify shops to get rid of the mesos limit? maybe if we can sell items through a store, even if its an item worth more than the max allowed mesos, that way you guys can have access to those data logs and you can keep track of whos trading and how their history looks like? I imagine you probably cant, im just thinking of other games that i play that are "private servers" and devs can modify files to add things that werent around in the normal game.

 

I have a friend whose main character isn't even level 70 and just traded tons of chaos and white scrolls + scrolled items worth more than 5 bil mesos. All his funds came from scrolling and gachaing / AP he has been saving up. It's not hard to win 2 white scrolls worth almost 1 bil mate.

 

I think thats a rare outlier and good for him, but imagine him having to do that for every item he purchases worth only 2 ws/cs, heck your friend had at least ten.

While you think 5b is still too low, 1b is 5x lower than that and the current bar.

 

This is my first time using a forum account, as i said earlier in my replies, not everyone has a forum account. I also have friends who have been playing Royals before 2015 before i even joined. Pretty dumb from you.

@Cynn And yes i agree, that was my whole point. This whole system is fked up atm and everyone is gonna suffer from this at least 90%. Can't wait to see new ban appeals from legal players.

 

So here's how I see this rule going down.

Since GMs literally do not check whether someone is guilty or not before slamming down a ban, every single player on Royals who makes a trade over 1b will be immediately eligible for an unceremonious ban following this rule change.

Then they're going to make a ban appeal, be asked whether they "did their due diligence" with regards to a trade they won't even identify, forcing you to bring out every screenshot you ever took of every trade you've done, and then spend 2 months waiting for a meagre response that reads something like "what about x char?" And half of them will have already quit by then.

You know, assuming they ever get unbanned.

If you want your player base to enact your red scare for you, how about you do something nice for them like offering a nice nx reward scalable to the tier of violation that was detected based on their report instead of punishing them for not doing the GM's job for them?

GG

 

This server is too limited for such strict rules. Imposing these types of rules will prevent many player transactions from going through, as more casual players may be feeling they are being gaslight or accused of being suspicious.

It took me a long time to sell my 12WA FS back in October and I edited the forum thread, but I initially had it for 9b sb and would smega it in-game as well. And for about 2weeks at least I had to wait before I got any PMs besides this guy who kept messaging me both in-game and on forums:



Can this type of behavior be banned too while we are at it then? (sarcasm, it shouldn't be bannable)

If I can't sell my items and the only type of people messaging me are legit low ballers because the average casual player without a forum or discord and hunts Lykas/Ellin NX/etc. and gatches will feel too afraid to trade with me because I'm trying to hunt them down it seems.

I agree with @KittehIshMad we need more admins then and staff members that actually do work then to help authenticate some of these transactions before a whole 2 weeks pass.

If we're making players be more accountable Staff has to be more accountable too.

• Get us more GMs
• Get us another admin,
• Make active Staff also more accountable, and if they don’t want it:
• Cut out any unnecessary parts on staff for room for more staff as I understand it’s hard to lead a team of staff members the bigger it gets.

Edit: Added additional suggestion

If you can somehow make an RWT GM Investigator role where they have access to trade, chat, and vote logs but not source code thus safeguarding the security and longevity of this server, I would love to see it. I believe Dong does great RWT related work.

 

This post seems like a good idea but I think maybe the implementation can be improved a bit. I'll just provide my feedback since I'm bored.

A few points here.

1. Asking players to inform staff prior to trading seems unrealistic in many trade cases. Say that you see a player smega or say they are selling a 12 FS (or any item) for about 1-2bil under value. You usually can't just pause the game to contact staff or spend much time doing due diligence. Unless there are big red flags, can you still just make the trade? The expectations listed seem a little hardcore.

2. Following up point 1, does it basically all just come down to staff discretion? It seems like enforcing this could still have a big gray area. Is it possible these rules can be improved a bit or made more clear exactly what's expected? I'm a little confused to be honest, but seems like it basically comes down to if you trade with a RWTer and missed red flags, you might lose your stuff and/or be banned.

3. Is it possible to raise the 1b number, but mention something about the total transactions value of at least 2b within a short period or with similar characters? 1b is so low that this might seem like kind a headache to remember this policy. Alternatively, might as well remove the number and just say do your due diligence on every trade.​

 

is this rule only for real world traded goods? What about the people who vote abuse and got their equips? How about the people who account share and got their equips?