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    Bro, the only defence you have right now is "it's a game"

    Supposed if this action is not considered harassment, why do you think it's okay to do it in game but not in real life

    If you really wanna continue bullshit about this, I will call you out on it
     
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    Gonna put in my 2 cents on it. I dont think its harrasment, but that its toxic and should be reported as such. While i do acknowledge that doing this irl woupd be harrasment, this being a game veils it as different. Harrasment is very real and i feel like defining this as harrasment dilutes what harrasment really is. like what is going on with the game hogwarts legacy, where people playing it are being called a certain name that rhymes with yahtzee which dilutes the term.

    Do report it, i do think its toxic and toxic behaviour does warrant a ban, but i dont think it crosses the line for harrasment
     
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    I believe if he is a handsome guy, it will be another ending
    @Aeronautics
     
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    irl it poses real threat, a game does not. very simple
     
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    So it's fine to do anything in game as long as it does not pose a threat?

    Will you say the same for racial slurs or death threats that are sent in game as well?

    What's so hard about not bothering someone after being told to Stop? Just move on and find your friends?
     
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    Daelve i fully agree that its toxic, he shouodnt do it, and its bannable, i just dont agree with classifying it as harrasment, as i think it dilutes the term harrassment.
     
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    Was souna saying racial slur? stop with the strawman
     
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    I think you are missing the main point

    Regardless of whether it's harassment or toxic behavior, the behavior was bothering someone and was told to stop

    Note: I not gonna argue about the definition of "harassment"

    The argument of "it's just a game" only seems like a justification of the nuisance/annoyance than facing the problem straight - just stop bothering someone else
     
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    Was using the "in game" as the basis of the argument

    You can continue to bullshit yourself and think it's okay to be an annoyance/nuisance, it's really not that hard to stop bothering others after being told to
     
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    was refering souna behaviour of afk ontop of people. Again you have no argument other than strawman
     
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    If you really wanna afk on other people (blocking with chair) despite being told by the community that it's not a good idea, your choice bro

    I have said what I need to said, I can't stop people from being stubborn
     
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    What a throwback to when my friends would F2 at my stalker who came to stand right next to my character almost every single day for prolonged period of time. But apparently the stalking was deemed ok by a staff and instead my friends got banned for literally pressing F2 back at him for “harassment”. Nice standards ~f6

    Everyday you learn something new, or you learn what was right yesterday might be wrong today, vice versa, versa vice, bla bla bla only here at MapleRoyals ~f16
     
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    I will just add my last take on this matter.

    If Etuko feels harassed by this guy and stalked - I respect her feelings and is entitled to it.
    She should've just reported this guy under Report Abuse section and be done with it, let admins do their jobs, investigate and take actions. SO MUCH unnecessarily drama would've been avoided.

    We all are different personalities and have different tolerence levels. What I perceive is not necessarily what the next guy perceives.
    If my opinion is that this is not harassment, so be it. If the rest of you think its a clear case of harassment - FINE. But leave it at that, an opinion.
    People can question and ask, specially when you post something like this under community section, we all have our different opinions and we don't need to agree upon everything.
    I am not the decision maker, nor is the majority here. We don't decide who gets banned / blacklisted etc. We simply give our take on the case and that's it.

    We don't need the entire 1337 forum police to arrive and bash people for their different opinions. It's absurd how some people are outraged because someone doesnt share their opinion.

    I personally think Dave is like the friendliest guy i've met on this game. He is very helpful on discord and here on forums, i'd give him salary if I could but seeing how you bash people including me for not agreeing with you upon an open discussion topic is just sad. You've commented many pages in a bad tone if I may say simply because we don't feel what you do or even agree.

    P.S i love Kennys picture
     
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    Hi, this player TakenName just joined my guild a few hours ago. After reaching out to him and trying to understand the situation, I understand he was misunderstanding the communist-run means.
    I have communicated with him. He understands it and this won't happen again in the future.
    I believe he wasn't intentional to be a troll or scum but frustrating.
    I would like to give him another chance. If this happens again, please reach out to me and I'll expel him from the guild.
    Also please contact me the apples he owed. Hollyboob/PrintScreen/Keyae
    Thanks.
     
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    I am not gonna change my stance on the silly chair-blocking of people in FM (or anywhere else) just because of this statement

    I am trying to be helpful on both Discord and Forums cause I wanna be nice to others, hence why I cannot support the stalking behavior

    It's fine if you wish to disagree with me or feel I have a bad tone
    (you have not seen me truly bashing people, not gonna deny I have a bad temper)

    Please feel free to block me on both Forums/Discord should I have caused you any discomfort due to my bad tone

    What I think is not Harassment
    - Blocking others with character/chair
    - Sitting in front of FM 17 (or any other rooms)

    What I think is Harassment
    - Persistently doing the chair blocking after being told not to
    - Purposely following/stalking someone

    Lastly, I do not think Souna should be blacklisted or banned for the chair-blocking, I just think he should stop it
    Submitting a Report Abuse or blacklisting should be the last resort upon communication breakdown
     
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    I did say it was bothering, im fully aware its annoying, frustrating, etc, i just feel like caing it harrasment is muddying the water, since there ARE cases of harrasment and things like this make them seem less serious than they are. I did say he shouod be reported and dealt with, i just dont like it being labeled as harrasment.
    And ye i know irl it is harrasment but this being an online space DOES make a distinction here. Do note im not saying hes innocent or even that he shouldnt be dealt with, just dont like the term harrasment being used to describe this behaviour.

     
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    I have explained why I defined it as [Harassment] in my previous post

    Also,
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    What happened is indeed considered as [Harassment] to me - you can disagree with it
     
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    1. I'm glad to see a shift in an overall tone from you, but I'm not going to let you get away with deflecting all of the issues that have arose from this discussion to everyone else except yourself. Because the fact is that everyone recognized that whether this behavior constituted harassment was a matter of personal opinion... except you. While you are more than free to ask questions and express disagreement, you have repeatedly dismissed etuko's experience and others' opinions with wildly exaggerated and abrasive comments such as:
    And when others called you out for your shitty behavior you immediately started behaving defensively and quite frankly, aggressively. Who's bashing whose opinions here? Who's outraged over whose opinions here? Why don't you take a good look at what you wrote yourself, friend. The irony is that you have spent all of this time and energy complaining about everyone else being offended and policing the tone of others when the only person that has ever done that is you. Learn to take accountability for your own actions.

    2. The Community Blacklist is completely unrelated to Report Abuse. There is a reason that behaviors such as scamming and harassment have always been both bannable and blacklistable--and I personally have made this explicitly clear when I managed the blacklist myself many years ago. It was appropriate for etuko to forward this issue to either the Community Blacklist or the Report Abuse--or both. But more importantly, whether etuko decided to forward this issue for the Community Blacklist or the Report Abuse was her decision to make and not yours. That being said, you are correct about one thing, and it's that you are not the decision maker. However, the majority is the decision maker and that is how this blacklist has always operated.
     
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    Well nice cherry picking. You impress me, no seriously you actually do.

    The sensitive part was to the people who got enraged because I questioned her report on the blacklist community. I did not understand what part was the harassment. I really didn't hence my questions. I also stated early that if she feels like this is an actual harassment make a report abuse for her own sake.
    I have not once been outraged, called anyone "acting like an ass" and of course I have to get defensive when the 1337 rage police arrive because having an opinion that doesnt suit the narrative is unbelieveable.
    That's what your problem is, being correct. I don't agree with you on this and you don't like it. Because if my opinions didn't bother you why did you even reply to me in the first place

    I will say it again - I don't think this is harassment based on my opinion. I have completley different tolerance level and I have been targeted by real life stalking and harassment. THAT'S BASED ON ME.
    But this is not about me, it's about etuko and like I said she has her own tolerance level and should just report it.
    Although this isnt the case anymore since you still have some issues with my replies and comment I do apologize for stepping on your toes.
    And to the other people who I insulted in some way, I will apologize.
     
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