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    ALL Your Character Names: AufHaven, Solsticio, Solitaria, Cruzada
    Last thing you did: LHC/Reset FM store.
    Why do you think you got banned?: Seriously?
    Ban message when attempting to log in: This ID has been deleted or blocked from connection.
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    Hello. You were banned for suspicion of RWT. Can you explain the origin of the funds used to purchase your 27 BFC.
     
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    Hello, sure.

    Jan/25/23
    - Received a 45b loan from Bun (Sharpay in game) in preparation for my posible acquisition of the aforementioned cape.
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    - Discord chat, confirmation.

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    This loan accounts for roughly 45b
    I did proceed to downgrade and liquidate the items received from Bun as Nessi wasn't interested on taking those as part of our trade for the cape.

    - Discord confirmation that Nessi wanted me to liquidate the items.

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    - Getting the cape from Invite (Jay) as he was using the cape at time and Nessi was inactive in game.

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    - First Trade (With Nessi)

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    - 2nd Trade (With Nessi)

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    - Recap.
    45b loan from Bun.
    50b from own gains selling Skele Leech.
    95b traded and 75b debt pending with Nessi for a future date.

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    Both Nessi and Bun have been lenient on the time table given to me and that has been acknowledged, i've never promised to pay back in any non reasonable time frame and even cited a time frame way more lenient with me than i do really need according to my monthly gains at skele, i'm sure the records that you guys have should show that as well my daily activity on my bishop Solsticio.

    - 24 att Cape origin.

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    Also traded with Nessi.

    - 23 att Cape origin.

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    Also a trade with Nessi.
     
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    Thank you for the detailed reply! I have forwarded this over to our admins to verify.
     
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    Hello, any sort of update on this?
     
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    can you explain how you're:
    • spending about 1b a week on VL belts
    • more money on white scrolls for scrolling that belt
    • ws/scroll an 18 luk eye accessory for yourself
    • continuously spend 3b each on the new throwing stars sets
    if you're deep in debt?

    Where are items like 122 attack dragon revolver, 10 attack facestompers coming from, one of which you even want to top up 5B to upgrade to a perfect claymore?
     
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    Because this is a long process and to achieve a decent belt you cannot hold yourself and you must continuously undergo this painful task, as you know you cannot hoard unlimited medallions, just a single medallion and a crafted/refined VL soul so beyond that you aren't able to any more, i think you've found that i am definitely not a casual by any means, the earlier i start playing by said RNG the better think of MoN if you want 8 att you better start as soon you're able to enter CWK either buying vip service or running your own rather then delaying it, at least how i see this and trust me if i had the option not to play with Belt RNG i would have taken it, but Royals made it rng so it is what it is.

    Not sure what do you mean there, but yes i was hoarding CS/WS for my own use and using strictly coins to pay my debts back and not only i am going to work on my belt but at some point down the road i am going to work on my face accessory i had roughly 50b coins saved.

    This took me months, i started even before taking the 27 att cape debt.
    I think people can relate to that, finding the scrolls prior VL "bon" addition was a pain in the ass and that's what delayed me the most, it wasn't done overnight and i was lucky using less than 25 scrolls, i didn't really count as at first i used around 12, then started using 1 by 1.
    I did also run scarga 2-4 times/day getting some scrolls myself before fully giving up and saying to myself "hey this shitty drop rate ain't worth it so i'll just spend this time selling skele and purchase the scrolls i need rather than this pointless hunt"

    I have 4 sets so 12b rounded up after crafting, that since VL was released and the stars do not drop every run so its not like i don't have time to secure myself a few sets in between.

    To sum it all, getting 1b/day from skele was the norm for me, sometimes a bit less, sometimes way more than that.
    You should be able to confirm that half of the staff has at some point visited me at dragon nest, confirming that my activity was no joke and i am not making things up.
    Getting 28-40b per month, i had several months given by Nessi and Bun in all of this and if any of them suddenly had told me "hey i need my mesos asap because..." (even if i started clearly that i was going to take my sweet time and asked for more time than i do really need given my true income) i would have hold up on those except the belt scrolling.

    Trade dropped from BabySair before quitting on 08/12/23 so no screenshots in game because of how suddenly and quick things were, pretty much "come, i am at X-channel" drop and log off.

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    We have been friends for years and if you notice that there's a gap in between the screenshots that's because there's a lot of very personal Real Life stuff being discussed here that goes way beyond MapleRoyals and for the sake of i, and her privacy i am not going to share.
    However there's plenty discussing mundane royals such as those and more if needed from WhatsApp up to discord.

    The gun story although i wasn't the original owner i can track it.
    - BabySair (Emily) aka LottieB by some, inherited DeathXbow gears when he quitted, this included a perfect Dragon Shiner Xbow.
    - At some point she traded the Xbow to Natsy's (Vern) perfect 123 revolver, i think Emily paid minimal top up as well.
    - Time after she quitted and gave me the revolver i traded it with Dong (Taegyuk in game, i took minimal top up as well) his 122+5b for this 123.
    - Way after downgrading the revolver i decided to sell it, exactly to help myself liquidating debts and because i lost any hopes of Emily potentially coming back, ever asides perhaps saying "hello" randomly.

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    122 Revolver sale, end of sentimental story.
    This also explains most of the WS i had in game, like i said before i fully intend paying my debts through coins and not scrolls, i don't care about the tax i pretty much care about my convenience that's it.

    I got the shoes valued at 5.5b from JacoNL/JacoBM as payment for leech, but this ain't the full story.
    - He owed me a CS/WS (at that time it was around 450m)
    - He doesn't speak english so he asked me to help him sell those and sell him more leech at some point and just take the debt from the shoes and give him the rest back once we were done.
    - I sold the shoes, gave him 2b back, took the 450m that were for me, kept the rest accordingly for later.
    - Unfortunately i was banned when his new char was Lv 90 or so, pretty much a day away from starting said leech.


    Screenshots pertaining my leech services, etc. (In spanish so, just google translate it yourself as i doubt you want my own translation)
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    Mention of shoes here.
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    Sold the shoes, telling him i rightfully did so.
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    Screenshot of the trade in game with the buyer.
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    Unfortunately i don't have the screenshot when he traded me the shoes but you should be able to trace within logs back to March 14-15.
    Please do note that he gave me the shoes first, then i returned them back, then i got them back once i found a buyer and sold them.

    The plan is simple, i have perfect flame and shield.
    If i had the chance back then to trade for a perf clay +top up the next logical step was to sell my flame and shield.

    Look.
    Open - T> Perf flame + Shield for Perf Clay + Top | MapleRoyals

    I was also looking into trading my flame and shield for a claymore + top up.
    Both options were valid for me, the only option that wasn't in the table was leaving my warriors without any weaponry.
    Either i used the gun + top to get claymore and sell my 1h and shield or i trade my 1h and shield for the claymore and top up.

    That was the plan back then.
    The extra mesos would help a bit with the debts and spending i was carrying on back then on belt and the occasional RTK.
     
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    Any update on this, can we admit that 1month/reply shouldn't be the norm here specially when i do reply within hours upon being prompt?
    Some consideration and respect, maybe?
     
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    how can you get 1b/day from skele if you dont play 7 hours a day every day on Solsticio?
    are there any other notable gifts you received?
     
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    Hello,
    Double check because i definitely used to leech an average of 6-10h/day for a long, long time, that's not something that can be disputed, you can say that some days i did less (because you cannot find stable or consistent buyers everyday) and some days i did way more than that, so while some days i didn't get 1b, there are days where i make for it and obviously you need to account for mesos you get while npcing as well.

    Getting 160-180m/h at skele npcing items means that 6h put you there, selling some items through your store and you are there, putting more or less but you even out with time.

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    Edit: Also i hope that you do not mean 7h consistent and continuous leech, sometimes you do not get the buyers, i'd log off, comeback at a later time, certain timezones are dead, certain time zones do have too many sellers at once, etc.
    Leech doesn't have the same consistency that farming does, but i did always rant and push through and play hard.

    I hope you look at my meso income from a monthly standpoint and not a daily one, because i could get 30b+ in a month but the amount per day won't be even, ever.
    Perhaps if you think of yeti or ulu farmers that are consistent in a daily basis sure, since as a farmer you are the only one that will dictate the pacing (IE: i wake up and say to myself that i will farm 500m today and so i have the freedom to do so)

    Leech sellers do not have the luxury to be picky and the market is competitive, sometimes there no buyers but if i found a 10h buyer, heck i did jump at such long sessions in a consistent manner like no other sellers has i'm sure, at least during the period i've been active as a seller.
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    I don't think my consistency as a seller should be disputed in any way.
    When BabySair quitted i did inherit 15 att BFC, 12 att Shoes and 20 att SCG and the gun that was already mentioned.

    14 att shoes from Ahoo/Boocu (8/19/22)
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    You requested me to look at your monthly meso income from leech:
    - The played hours in combination with your chat history seem to add up to around 20B a month with some dips which you seem to affirm in chat:
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    - Based on your chat you started this leech journey around early may 2021 where you frequently mention that 3 hours of leech tires you out and you're broke to the point of not being able to afford mw20 for example
    - You recently estimated your worth without failed scrolling and other waste, but including debt, to be around 700B

    Regardless of bossing expenses, potion expenses, failed scrollings etc and in the scenario where we assume you made 20B a month with leech while your early chat doesn't seem to reflect that and you mentioned dips of income yourself in your chat history we'd still end up at: 20 months (may 2021-march 2023) * 20B = 400B + 70B debt = 470B

    You mentioned some gifts and inheritance from friends, could you quantify them for me so we can get from 470B to 700B+ net worth and expenses?
     
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    Please take in note that if we base my average upon my chat history i have mentioned several times in game since this year that i was getting demotivated.
    First starting this year when you banned Karax my oldest friend in game that remains active from my original group of friends but i kept playing and trying to lift his spirits during the three months he was gone and later on when you banned Equinoccio who became my partner and the person i used to hang out with most in game prior his ban.
    That's when despite having huge debt my leech took a nose dive, i held BabySair's gun since i was slacking a bit i decided to sell.

    I have mentioned this among the lines of (see pics below) several times in disc and in game, tho i can't recall the wording.
    I have lost motivation.
    Yet i got myself into the massive debt for the 27 ATT BFC as a means to kept myself engaged in game and not quit when the people being the closest to me took bans.

    See the date from the attached chats.

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    I have always said that my income is greater than that, that was absolutely my lowest asides the time i was starting to play as a seller.
    tl;dr obviously my mental state wasn't the best during this year specially after Equinoccio's ban.
    It hurts when you get your friends banned.

    I started small, one simply does not go hardcore day #1 3 hours that was a similar amount of time to the ones i did sell leech as HijaDelSol back when i joined the server also i had to get into telecasting again and soon enough i was only logging to leech, nothing else, asides the times i did Auf to get my miracle scrolls, Toad for my headband and Scarga for Face/Eye LUK scrolls which i found to be a waste of time because the drop rate was ass.

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    I did stick to my guns and went harder over time, while those two screenshots are above my average, i don't think that anyone that tires after three hours can do this.

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    Dropping this here as well.

    This obviously would be unfair as we are taking my worst output in recent times where i acknowledge my shortcomings in game, 30b is more like it if we want to set a fair average.

    20 att SCG = 15b
    14 att shoes = 15b
    12 att shoes = 9.5b
    15 att BFC = 10.5b
    Perfect Revolver = 30b (5b from downgrade, 25b from final sale)

    I participated in an event/give away hosted by a random guy where i got a 21 int bandana, 22 int bathrobe a 7-10 int (?) YWG and other misc wash items but this shouldn't even be accounted as the total worth of this is around 1b or less and i kept most of the items, i don't even recall the guy ign and i didn't even win his event or trade him in time during that give away.
    In fact he gave it to me because i commented something about his nx/rp outfit that made me remember certain anime and i was right.


    Technically my wand and shield on Solsticio are a gift from @kakamayka we swapped for my old wand and shield.
    Other INT stuff has been swapped back and forth between BabySair and i, before she quitted (wands, shields, cape)

    So we are at 80b from the above mentioned stuffs.
    700b - 470b = 230b
    230b - 80b = 150b

    If you put my average income at 30b (20 months x 30b) you easily bump the 400b mark to 600b which is a huge difference and while you are accounting for my pot usage you also need to account for the drops i got to sell through my stores and the fact that i didn't purchase more than (5-6) miracle scrolls for my 87 hat, i ran Auf 2-3 times/day paying splits to get my own scrolls.
    Some drops from auf here and there, etc but while you take one of my worsts performances due to very justified reasons as my average we are going to end with a major deficit.

    700b - 600b = 100b.
    100b - 80b = 20b.

    20b to account for and that could be justified through other means of income, gacha, skele drops sales, even drops or spikes in skele rates during exp events and event tokens (boxes, envelopes, etc)

    By the way...
    The cape did cost me 170b.
    I paid Nessi 95b and i owe him 75b.
    And i owe Bun 45b from her loans so my debt is even greater.

    My bishop at time of her ban had 55b coins so i haven't seen it being mentioned but i was obviously working towards paying Nessi first, then Bun.

    Last but not least.
    Let's go with the 20b/month i got during my lowest moment for the three months i've been banned, because if we go with an higher average, welp.
    I would have 105b towards my debt, well lets take 15b assuming i bought more RTKs during this time and used some scrolls on my belts.
    I still would have paid Nessi by now and i would be working my way towards paying Bun by now.

    Is there anything that does not make any sense at this point?
     
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    did you help fund yukkine?
     
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    The 43/6 dragón khanjar was scrolled between both of us, mostly with his own mesos though.

    He worked hard for what he had, apqing mostly.
     
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    are there other similar expenses like helping your friend scrolling a khanjar that we should consider in your expenses?
     
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    Nothing else at all, whatever i got as a loan in the past asides the -27 BFC related loans- was paid and whatever i did lend as a loan was paid back as well.
     
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    how much would you value your equipment/expenses for untradables at?
    60 str 9 dex red battle empress
    30 att 31 str crossheider
    27 str 4 dex 135 att flame sword
    18 str spectrum goggles
    130 att gold neschere
    costs to perfectly scroll your auf haven circlet on AufHaven
    costs to scroll headband to 7 str 18 luk
    28 luk 3 dex element pierce earring
    63 luk 10 dex dark katte
    24 att red sock
    24 att scg
    27 att bfc
    95 att 19 luk dps
    4 str 5 dex 6 luk ring of alchemist
    auf haven belts
    10 dex 26 luk dark pirate blouse
    14 dex 16 luk purple osfa pants
    20 att 10 str maple shield
    12 int raccoon mask
    32 int orange calaf
    18 int 10 m att dark noel
    20 int crimsonheart cloak
    12 int 22 m att maple shield
    23 int 173 m att elemental wand 5
    19 str 115 att maple pyrope spear
     
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    To answer how much i value those items at, roughly.
    Market might or for sure has changed during this time.

    60 str 9 dex red battle empress: 18b
    30 att 31 str crossheider: 23b

    30 att 31 str crossheider: 20b
    18 str spectrum goggles: 20b+ (two slots left)

    130 att gold neschere: 500m
    20 att 10 str maple shield: 300m

    12 int raccoon mask: 1.5b
    32 int orange calaf: 800m-1b
    18 int 10 m att dark noel: 1.2b
    20 int crimsonheart cloak: 500m
    12 int 22 m att maple shield: 2b
    23 int 173 m att elemental wand 5: 3-4b

    19 str 115 att maple pyrope spear; 500m

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    Now my expenses on untradeables.

    costs to perfectly scroll your auf haven circlet on AufHaven: 110-125b roughly and not exactly (174 WS & Miracles when they were 500 & 300m so 87b on WS alone) i don't have spreadsheets for my miracle spending but 99% were gotten from my own runs, so paying splits.

    costs to scroll headband to 7 str 18 luk: 8-12b again, hardly keeping tabs on my untradeables usage, part of the 10% eye acc LUK scrolls were from my own runs.

    auf haven belts: (I assume you mean my VL belts on my NL "AufHaven") roughly 10b were spent there.

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    Again its hard to value the items below i've been away from the game for a while and they depend on supply/demand so...

    28 luk 3 dex element pierce earring: 35b
    63 luk 10 dex dark katte: 40b

    24 att red sock: 180-200b
    24 att scg: 70-75b

    27 att bfc: 260b+ (24 att capes last i saw were going for 90-100b if i am not mistaken plus 170b top up) this is the only sale of it's kind so pretty much gotta take it at face value based on my trade with Nessi.

    95/19 DPS: 70-75b

    4 str 5 dex 6 luk ring of alchemist: 8-10b
    14 dex 16 luk purple osfa pants: 5-8b
    10 dex 26 luk dark pirate blouse: 3b - not sure.
     
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    so instead of 700b+ we'd have to look more towards 900b+ correct?
     
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    Correct, but then you need to account for the entire time i've been playing mapleroyals not the time i've been selling leech on Solsticio.
    Prior being a skele leech seller i was very active bossing (multiple CWKs and HT runs, Auf runs)

    Farming?
    I did farm Ulu at some point, i wasn't efficient at all but that was before the spawn rate nerf.
    Stoppers.
    Silver coins to craft MTKs.
    APQing with multiple chars, not consistently but there.
    Leeching with my FP Archmage at petri (before the nerf as well)
    Leeching at Duku albeit it wasn't constant since my mages were high level and once i had low level mages duku was nerfed.

    I got to fund myself up to 59 cgs this way.
    I think nobody can say that i've been lazy since i started in royals.

    Hell, i figured out quickly during my first anniversary in royals as a total noob with zero connections here that making multiple chars to run cake boss (not at once) was a solid way to get mesos, earned my first billion that way.
     
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