Questions on HP Washing for NL

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    Hello guys,

    I currently have a level 98 Priest. I have no big knowledge on end-game and bossing.
    But I have always wanted to play a NL, and in the past I understood I need to wash in order to be able to boss conveniently.
    I have some questions and I'd like your help please.

    1) How much HP is enough to aim for (for a casual player like me), and at which level?

    2) Should I turn to HP washing rather than the new HP quests? I think I have enough NX for washing, and from what I understood it is easier.

    3) I have been trying Shiyui Washing Calculator for a recommendation for HP I saw in one of the posts - 16.5k HP by level 180.
    I have not included MW because I barely know what this is, but maybe I'll have it later and I will use it.
    I have put 30 INT Gear as I don't have right now, but maybe I will buy later.
    For target base INT I just put a number that will work on the calculator.
    (Maybe before I will really get into it I will need to think more about these parameters and ask here again what I should consider?)
    Meanwhile I have a few questions about it:
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    a. What does the "AP into HP or LUK" between the two phases exactly mean?
    Can I choose for myself what levels to add the HP, so that the total HP that I raise on my character (basically until level 200) is 465 AP?

    b. In the phase that it is written to add AP to MP (levels 76-135) - isn't it enough from levels 76-134? ((134-76+1)*5=295)

    c. Should I trust what the calculator say from my initial input (like the one above - before playing my character), or should I calculate every level for more accuracy?

    4) When should I start "worrying" about this matter? As I currently not even a 4th job Bishop.


    Thanks in advance!
     
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    1) I have heared 19k for all content but also that people with 11k have never died and do all content.

    2) Up to you for how long you do not want to play the game and how much meso you want to destroy. Hp questing is free and viable, will take a while tho.

    3) include maple warrior. It matters quite a bit, if you're poor add mw10 instead if you are paying for leech just do mw20. Don't pay for lvl 50+ leech without mw20.

    a) AP from level up (AKA Fresh AP) gives a range [min, min+4]. APR to HP always gives min (18 for thief iirc). Fresh AP will give you 2 more HP per wash (+11.11%). Allthough limited by only able to do so 5 times per level and in conflict with MP-Washing.

    b) No idea, math it out once you are there

    c) I have never used any calculater neither do I know anyone who has.

    Usually there are 2 ways people to HP-Wash. Those that min-max and math out the minimum meso spend and those that "Fuck it, I have 300 Base INT"

    4) never, there are other viable means to gain HP such as questing and gear (+1k to 2k is not unthinkable)

    I would try to get some better int gear.

    Like
    5 int Red Marker
    20 int bathrobe
    5 int Deputy star
    10 int Cape
    30 int Zhelm

    +70 int is fairly cheap, +20 int from mw20 with 200 base int will give you +90.

    Good luck
     
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    Thanks for your respone!

    Regarding the leech, I am planning on leeching myself once my Bishop is 4th job and all. So I will include MW10 at least.

    I'd like to ask you questions about your answers please:

    1) About my previous question 3)a. , was I right about it being total 465 AP for HP total on my character within these ranges of levels?

    2) About you mentioning a Z-Helm for INT Gear, I know it is untradable so how can I buy it/give it to the desired character?
     
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    1) I would recommend MP-Washing, how much depends on how much meso you want you burn. Allthough this will lower the amount of Fresh AP Available.
    Please do not stress about this, whether you are appointing 400 or 485 Fresh AP to HP is makes an abbysmal difference, ~170 HP. 85 MP washes with f.e. 200 Base INT does make a very noticable, 1700 MP.
    You can use MP-Washing as a tool to fix if you mathed incorrectly or want to start playing the game a few levels earlier than planned.

    You can buy Zhelm service for 60m. You need to do the prequest and have 3.2k hp iirc. You can buy/make/lend HP Gear. Or ask for HB/Double Ress, can be asked to pay 80m instead for that. Or run yourself with friends and get it for free
     
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    And then you mean I should scroll the Zhelm myself? As naturally it is +15 INT average
     
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    Thanks for all your help :)
     
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    How much HP to aim:

    If you want a comfortable gaming experience across all currently available bosses on this server I would suggest aiming for 16.3k HP.
    This magic number allows you to:
    - participate in all bosses without hyper body, which is not always available
    - not have to worry about dispel killing you (sometimes out of your control because you don't always have ownership of the character giving hyper body)
    - allows surviving Horntail using Honsters as the HP potion of choice (which is available for purchase from an NPC and is much cheaper than Ginger Ales and Power Elixirs)

    Remember that the following is available in addition to HP washing:
    - HP quests (+500 from Elixir of Youth and +10/20/day from Reuel)
    - HP-scrolled pet equips
    - Medals, particularly Legendary Collector which gives +1000 HP

    If you're really not willing to invest in washing to 16+k then some other options are:
    - 10.2k which brings you to 16.3 with HB, and allows for survival at HT without HB
    - 12k which allows for survival at Shaolin Temple without HB (Lv145+ boss that offers very good EXP for only 10 mins)
    - 13k which allows for survival at HT with ginger ales
    - 15k which allows for survival at Dunas without HB

    -16k for survival for Toad (Lv175+ boss that offers also very good EXP)

    Thanks to @Joez

    I recommend before you start creating a NL, need to figure out the following first:
    1) what int gear you can prepare
    2) need a bishop to help with the leeching
    3) your HP goal

    the calculator is pretty good tool for reference, and you dont need to calculate every level unless there is a change in the process (reach level 50 and wearing zak helm (or scrolled to 30int zhelm, level 120 and got a horntail pendant etc etc)
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    Hi mate,

    I would like to ask another question.
    If I follow your suggestion about the ~70 int gear, how much base int would you suggest to reach 16.3 k hp (not sure about the target level for that hp goal though, if you have a suggestion I'd like to hear it please)?
     
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