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Discussion in 'Community' started by Shiratsuyu, Jul 9, 2020.

  1. Bald
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    Bald Active Member

    yes i will for sure tell you what happened here :D very smart
     
  2. milesss
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    milesss Member

    It seems weird for an ex-forum mod and a current mod to stir up drama with a guy in the middle of a ban appeal. It brings up some questions about the fairness of this ban appeal for sure.
     
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  3. Dave Deviluke
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    Dave Deviluke Forum Moderator

    Asking someone to post his side of the story = stirring up drama?
    Oh no, guilty as charged

    Note: Ban Appeals are handled by GMs, not Forum Mods unless it's a Forum Ban Appeal
    Thought I would clarify this since you seem confused about how Ban Appeals work
     
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  4. milesss
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    milesss Member

    Alright, so you're playing dumb. Not exactly what I'd expect from a forum mod, but hey, what do I know?

    Sure, you're not in charge of ban appeals. But you're not just some random play, right? As a mod, what you say has some weight. But here you are, stirring the pot while someone's trying to appeal a ban. That doesn't exactly scream 'fairness', does it?

    So maybe it's not about who does what around here. Maybe it's more about hoping for a bit of respect and professionalism while the appeal is going on. That's not too much to ask from a mod, is it?
     
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  5. Dave Deviluke
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    Dave Deviluke Forum Moderator

    Could you elaborate more about how my prompting for a player's side of the story (as a Staff) = stirring the pot/drama?

    I do recognize my status as a Staff member (albeit a Forum Mod) does have some weight behind my statements, hence why I did not throw anything (accusations) out

    Are Staff members not allowed to seek clarification on what actually happened, or you do not wish to see Staff's presence on Community Blacklist?
     
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  6. Dave Deviluke
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    Dave Deviluke Forum Moderator

    I assumed that if you are okay with sharing your side of the story on Discord, you would be okay to do so on Community Blacklist too

    But if I am wrong on this, feel free to correct me about the differences
     
  7. milesss
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    I'd be glad to. Firstly, I'd like to draw attention to the difference between genuinely seeking clarification and needlessly provoking someone. The phrase "Are you NOT gonna post your side of the story here instead?" isn't an innocent request for more information. It's an apparent attempt at needling and escalating the situation.

    This isn't an isolated incident, either. "Sen" kicked things off by making an unnecessary jab at Bald, setting a negative tone for the discussion. It's clear that this isn't about understanding what happened. It's about getting in a few digs at someone who's already in a difficult situation. And let's not ignore the consequences of this behavior.

    When a moderator sets this kind of example, it gives the green light for others to follow suit. Hence, we get comments like, "Let's hear that bs story you about to come up with cause those pictures tell the truth.." This isn't a call for understanding. It's pure dogpiling.

    So no, It's not about "seeking clarification." It's about how you're going about it, by escalating the situation, inciting others to do the same, and contributing to an environment where a player trying to appeal a ban feels ganged up on. Surely we can do better than this in the mapleroyals community.

    That being said, I'd like to remind you, the role of a moderator is not to join forces with their friends and unfairly pile on users they may not like.
     
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  8. Gunit
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    Gunit Donator

    This is not the first time either. It's a common theme here.
    Problem is many people are friends and then at the same time got some sort of hidden - direct and or indirect authority.
    Also it's evident being friends with admins /gms / mods allows you to act / behave in a certain way where the common player would get warned or suspended at the very least.
     
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  9. Dave Deviluke
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    Dave Deviluke Forum Moderator

    I think you are just reading too deeply into what I wrote

    As written above (my questioning to Bald2), the "Are you not gonna post your side of the story here instead?" would mean if you are okay with sharing the story on Discord, why not here

    I am not sure how you read a simple question into I am dogpiling him with others

    However, if you truly feel I am being disrespectful or unprofessional, feel free to submit feedback about it
    https://royals.ms/forum/forums/feedback.3/create-thread

    You may also list examples of how I should have worded it (in a respectful + professional manner) so that I may learn from it
     
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  10. Dave Deviluke
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    Dave Deviluke Forum Moderator

    Could you quote or link examples of players that gained such advantages cause they were friends with the Staff?
     
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  11. milesss
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    I provided the clarity you asked for, and I did so in detail. Yet, here you are, still feigning confusion about your actions, insisting I'm reading too deeply into your words. But the conclusion I reached isn't baseless. It's based on your behavior and the effect it's had on the conversation.

    Perhaps instead of denying or downplaying your role, you should offer an apology to bald and the mapleroyals community. As a mod, your actions reflect on the community as a whole. And right now, those actions are casting a negative light on us all.

    And let's not overlook your initial response to me "Thought I would clarify this since you seem confused about how Ban Appeals work". Quite condescending wasn't it? Or are you also 'confused' about how that could be interpreted as condescending?
     
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  12. Plu1337
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    Plu1337 Well-Known Member

    I just try to help
    Ur right about this. Thing need to be heard from both sides. If u think ur not doing wrong u need to defense urself against the ban.

    And second
    Who are you? This is about bald
     
  13. Dave Deviluke
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    Dave Deviluke Forum Moderator

    I can't help but to feel your silly comments is to divert the community's attention away from Bald2's questionable actions, and instead trying to put me in the spotlight about my "unprofessionalism"

    And yes, I do think you are confused by how Ban Appeals work

    The comments here (Blacklist) do not affect Ban Appeals or Report Abuse, I would strongly urge you please do not misrepresent the Community

    Also, please cease your false claims about me unless you can back it up
    I do have my unprofessional/disrespectful moments, but this is clearly not 1 of them
     
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  14. milesss
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    This isn't about redirection attention from Bald's actions. The fact that you arrived at that conclusion just confirms your propensity for manipulative behavior. I assure you, I'm not confused about how ban appeals function. Rather, it appears you may be the one lacking clarity. "The comments here (Blacklist) do not affect Ban Appeals or Report Abuse," strikes me as a glaring misrepresentation. Any statement bald makes here could indeed be used against him in his appeal. Your persistent provocation of him under the guise of innocence could very well be detrimental to his appeal.

    Your comment to "cease your false claims about me unless you can back it up" seems to be a veiled threat, perhaps intending to use your authority to silence me. That doesn't strike me as professional conduct. And let me assure you, my comments are far from "silly". As a member of this community, I was under the impression I had the right to express my opinion.

    So, if the implication of your words is that I must quiet myself to avoid your wielding of power, please do make that clear. I will gladly mute myself to retain my access to Mapleroyals, even if that involves stifling my freedom of speech on these forums.
     
  15. eVolve
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    It's even weirder for a 5 year old forum account to make their first comment in the community blacklist thread.
    Should we be expecting an account merge shortly?

    Keeping on track, this is the place to dispute community allegations against a person. If you want to make a defense for Bald's actions, you should stop attacking Dave for directing Bald to defend himself here instead of in a meaningless private vc.
     
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  16. Dave Deviluke
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    Dave Deviluke Forum Moderator

    You absolutely have the right to express your opinion, which includes disagreeing with a Staff member (me)

    However, this does not give you the right to derail a thread's original purpose, we have already occupied a page of the Community Blacklist cause you kept going on about my statements which I have already clarified

    Once again, I would urge you to stay on topic, and not divert the Community's attention on Bald2

    Should you feel I have conducted myself in an unprofessional manner such as assigning you WP unfairly, you may submit a Report Abuse about it so that other Staff may review it

    I indeed do have the powers to "silence" you on the forums, however I did not do so as I respect each individual's opinion

    This does not mean you get to abuse the "freedom of speech" to make false claims and demanding me to apologize to the Community
    Once again, please refrain from derailing the thread
     
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  17. Aeronautics
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    Aeronautics Well-Known Member

    @milesss it might surprise you to find out that most staffs here don’t get anything in return for their services so I think you are expecting a little too much professionalism from a bunch of volunteers. In fact, Dave is already showing more professionalism to you than you deserve considering the amount of aggression you have showed towards him solely due to the status he hold.

    I’m not one to defend staffs for their actions usually, especially when I have had my own bad experience with a staff with horrible attitude over some small matters literally just a few days ago so you can be reassured that I’m not saying this just to please them and come to see that you are just being unnecessarily rude now.
     
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  18. milesss
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    I am not Bald, although apparently disagreeing with trashing on a guy whose already been added to blacklist is evidence of being him. If any GM wants to do us the favor, I'm sure they have more than enough evidence to see I'm not Bald, nor have I ever interacted with Bald.

    You've made quite a contribution yourself to diverting this thread off course. If you're set on attributing the entire detour to me simply because I don't agree with your actions, then so be it.

    However, if your so keen on the entire blacklist being focused on Bald, let's talk about it. Based on the evidence here on the blacklist, What exactly do you think he's done to warrant a ban or a blacklist?
     
  19. eVolve
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    eVolve Donator

    Who said you are the same person?
     
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  20. Dave Deviluke
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    Dave Deviluke Forum Moderator

    You do realize that I am not the one that submitted his name to the Blacklist, nor the one who approve his addition to the Blacklist (this is done by the Blacklist Manager), are you sure you wanna do this by picking on me?

    I am not sure if you are truly prepared for the argument when you are purposely harassing me solely because of my Staff status
    (this isn't because I am afraid of point out the problem, I am afraid of you claiming I instigated the community to dogpile on you)
     
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