Community Blacklist

@milesss it might surprise you to find out that most staffs here don’t get anything in return for their services so I think you are expecting a little too much professionalism from a bunch of volunteers. In fact, Dave is already showing more professionalism to you than you deserve considering the amount of aggression you have showed towards him solely due to the status he hold.

I’m not one to defend staffs for their actions usually, especially when I have had my own bad experience with a staff with horrible attitude over some small matters literally just a few days ago so you can be reassured that I’m not saying this just to please them and come to see that you are just being unnecessarily rude now.

 

I am not Bald, although apparently disagreeing with trashing on a guy whose already been added to blacklist is evidence of being him. If any GM wants to do us the favor, I'm sure they have more than enough evidence to see I'm not Bald, nor have I ever interacted with Bald.

You've made quite a contribution yourself to diverting this thread off course. If you're set on attributing the entire detour to me simply because I don't agree with your actions, then so be it.

However, if your so keen on the entire blacklist being focused on Bald, let's talk about it. Based on the evidence here on the blacklist, What exactly do you think he's done to warrant a ban or a blacklist?

 

Who said you are the same person?

 

Perhaps I misunderstood. What did you mean by this?

 

I meant that I suspect that you are using a burner account to conceal your identity. I have no idea who you are in-game

 

It seems you're eager to label my comments as harassment, so I think it's best that we discontinue this exchange. Your words give me the impression that you might use your mod status against me, and I'd prefer to avoid giving you any grounds for such action. Thus, this will be my last response to you to sidestep any further false allegations of harassment. Please refrain from quoting or referencing me if you're not prepared for me to freely express my thoughts.

I want to be clear that I have no intention of causing harm or carrying any malice in this discussion, nor am I trying to be rude or provoke you. I sincerely hope you can perceive this in good faith, and allow us to wrap up this conversation friendly.

Not all of us can be famous I suppose. Haha. I do confess I have other forum accounts, I have forgotten the information to them, and even then, they're scarcely used. I'm not sure why someone would have made a forum account in 2018 and planned to use it in 2023 though. That'd be some serious dedication. I will say though, I'm not usually very vocal. I'm more of a lurk, barely ever post on anything. It just rubbed me the wrong way that in my opinion they were trying to provoke a guy that is already in a tough situation. I'm not a fan of publicly ganging up on people in a public setting. Call me old-fashioned If you will.

As for the Bald discussion, I'm willing to discuss the evidence with whoever is interested.

 

Just to set things straight, I looked at the evidence long before our exchange even began. In fact, I looked into it prior to your comment to Bald that initially caught my attention. It seems you're quite eager to make assumptions about my level of awareness on the subject. You invite discussion, yet are reluctant to have your own viewpoints on the matter come to light. You invite discussion, then claim I am harassing you when I invite you to do so. You invite discussion on this forum, but it seems for only those who hold the same view point as yours. How am I supposed to engage in a meaningful dialogue with you when you won't even articulate your stance on Bald's perceived wrongdoings in the first place? How am I supposed to engage in a meaningful dialogue with you when you are so quick to say I'm harassing you?

Am I not allowed to disagree with whether or not a report is worthy of placing ones name on the blacklist without "invalidating their experiences"? Is it now that once someone posts here screenshots of something, regardless of context, regardless of anything, I must agree that this person is terrible? Simply because their name is stamped on the top of the thread?
My opinion was formed long before I ever spoke to you, and you didn't change it one bit. How could you? You won't even engage in an open discussion with me.

Why is it that you get to insult my intelligence constantly. You sit here and condescendingly speak to me after I said "I want to be clear that I have no intention of causing harm or carrying any malice in this discussion, nor am I trying to be rude or provoke you. I sincerely hope you can perceive this in good faith, and allow us to wrap up this conversation friendly.". And yet, the second I am to say anything to you, such as, pose the thought that perhaps you are contributing to the derailment of this thread, I am harassing you?

 

If Bald2 feels like the screenshots are out of context, then I agree, by all means post your side of the story here. Agree or disagree with what he did or how Dave has responded, the truth of the matter is that Bald2 has been banned for a total of 40 days (previous bans included) for objectionable behaviour. One of the reports was from me, so until we hear his side of things, I am inclined to believe the blacklist posts and bans he received.

 

1) It's fairly obvious your comment was an attempt to stir up drama. Whether you continue to pretend it wasn't or not.
2) Asking for your stance doesn't have to come with an endorsement to dogpile him.
3) You don't need Bald2's statement to in order to discuss the evidence posted here which is what I asked for. Please don't misrepresent what I said.

I agree, this thread should be for submitting bad experiences to raise awareness. Yet, it's also important to maintain an environment conducive to fair and respectful dialogue. Unpopular opinions, shouldn't be so quickly brushed off as "silly bickering" or "nonsense". I'm here to engage in a meaningful conversation about the issue at hand, not partake in a one-sided discourse. Nor am I here to constantly launch personal attacks at people like you have done at me. However under the radar they may be. I offered a friendly hand in the end of a heated discussion and you slapped it in my face. Uncalled for, but time to move on.

No disrespect intended towards you Shiratsuyu, but I find that there's potential for a conflict of interest when it seems like you are the only one making the decisions on who gets placed on the blacklist. It seems biased to let personal experiences potentially influence such important decisions. That said, if there are others involved in the decision making process, then I may have misunderstood the situation. In that case, please provide me with some clarification on that.

 

I don't get it, this is a community list right? Not one by the staff?
And so far all the people ending up on the blacklist were put there after having sufficient evidence provided. (Accusations without evidence even if it's true won't make it)
And if there are any disputes regarding the above, the one getting put on the list can refute with their own evidence (here on the blacklist thread so everyone can input their opinions, highlighting the community part)

So isn't this just an easy: Bald2 can show his own evidence and prove his innocence here on the thread
or: He doesn't have evidence and remains on the list

Why is there suddenly this weird tangent about stirring up drama or staff agenda or whatever? How does that help with the thread... Any discussion that does not help with deciding whether someone belongs on the thread is not relevant and should be done elsewhere.

Getting back on track, I too believe Bald should provide his own evidence if he has any.

 

The community make decisions. I am the one who puts someone on the list, but that's merely because there has to be someone in control of the thread. There's a reason why I almost always wait several days before I make a decision. It's so the community, and the person that got reported, has a chance of giving their opinion on the matter. Bald2 has been reported multiple times and banned by GMs on top of that, I don't at all think this is a case of biased opinions. If he doesn't want to share his side of things, that's fine, but if he don't then I really have no other choice but to believe the reports are true based on my own experience with him, community experiences, and his in-game ban, simple as that.

 

@milesss seems like you're the one stirring up drama

 

Thought about bringing to attention that what one person think it may pass of as a joke may not be well received by the other party. Keep in mind that if the other person says "No" or not giving any positive response of participating in the "play", STOP.

Let's say one often goes around slapping someone's arse out of nowhere.
Some friends might be: "Nah, it's alright, it's that person usual shenanigans"
Though some might take offense to that while still keep it silent to avoid conflict. Repeat this enough times, it may eventually blow up.
Do one still think "We're friends, it's just a joke, chill" would be alright in such case?

 

Thanks for your response. Shiratsuyu. I appreciate you outlining the decision making process around blacklist, and while I understand the necessity of someone overseeing the process, the question about potential bias still lingers. You mentioned in a screenshot your report on Bald2, you said "however, keep being a dick and I will happily blacklist you". In response to him apparently using monster sacks to kill some characters you were leeching. Given that you control the blacklist, that is an alarming threat to be throwing around so lightly.




So, I want to ask a couple questions to understand your stance on this issue.

1) Should the use of monster sacks be considered a ban worthy offense?
2) Do you think monster sacks should be a blacklist worthy offense?
3) Do you think it justifies calling him an "absolute prick" or a "dick"?
4) How do you think you would have responded if you were in Bald2's shoes? Do you think your reaction would have been more or less toxic given the things you said to him?

Let's truly take a moment to step into Bald2's shoes. Honestly, if you were confronted with the kind of language that you used against him, wouldn't you have responded in an even more heated way? It's important to remember that aside from saying he would sack and defame you, Bald2 didn't resort to any explicit language towards you. Let's not forget, he never acted on these statements either. Perhaps he was just responding to your name calling with a bit of trolling? I think if the average player was called a "dick" or an "absolute prick", they would have said much much worse.

Shiratsuyu, I hold no ill will towards you. Up to this point, you've been nothing but cordial and open to conversation. My intention isn't to offend, but to voice my differing perspective. I genuinely hope you're open to considering it. I'd like to add that I'm always open to new viewpoints if there's valid reasoning. My beliefs are not set in stone, I'm willing to change my stand. I hope you maintain a similar openness with me moving forward in this discussion. I feel it's important to emphasize this, especially as some seem to question the authenticity of my comments merely because they hold a differing opinion. Thank you.

 

1: This has been a discussion countless of times over the course of many years here. It depends on how you use sacks. If you use it for the sole purpose of disrupting the gaming experience for someone else, say by for example targeting someone repeatedly or interrupting leech, then yes. This has to be judged on a individual basis though.
2: Same as above.
3: Yes. It was in the heat of the moment sure, but if you interrupt someone's leech and kill their characters/clients, then what do you think is going to happen? The leecher will get annoyed.
4: I wouldn't be in his shoes to begin with, but had I been in his shoes, I would think getting called a dick and getting 1 defame would be fair enough for what I did first.

Just to clarify, me being the thread owner right now in no way exempts me from going through the same process as everyone else. If I meet someone I feel like reporting to the blacklist, then I will do like I did with bald2, make a report. I won't just put him on the list randomly, or anyone else for that matter. My decision to put him on the list was seeing another report from a different player, confirming I'm not the only one with bad experiences with bald2. On top of that, as mentioned previously, he has been banned 40 days total now for objectionable behaviour.

But again, if he feels we are in the wrong, then by all means share your side of things bald2, that's what we are all waiting and hoping for right now.