DK vs Hero?

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    This thread feels like we're comparing illuminate to Skadi LOL...

    They're both good in their own ways I guess :p
     
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    Never meant for this thread to end up like this lol, but this is interesting and I keep waiting to see more.
     
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    It's Sami's fault cause he failed to white that krex.
     
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    Sami is nub, lets get a real hero to use as a comparison, eli where u at!
     
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    #BlameSami
     
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    There really is no more. I came in to do what blas did, but there's nothing I can see that's wrong in his calculations. Essentially at absolute endgame, (lvl 200, perfect weapon and baller peripheral gear) a hero is about 5.5% stronger (on average of all the situations listed) than a DrK, and the DrK is slightly more dependent on having SI (and benefits slightly more from SE. In the presence of both, it might be a full tie.) but at any point before that, it's going to be up to your gear.
     
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    U always get whited by AJ ahem
     
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    Not as much anymore, and when we had similar gear, I always whited him.
     
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    Are the calculations done with +4 speed SI or +3 speed.

    Because when SI gets fixed, Sky skis will benefit, and ST won't.

    Also do Dark Knights really take advantage of SE more? (3 lines compared to 2? But I guess Heroes attacker faster, so that makes up for it).

    Also who said sky skis is the endgame dark weapon? plis its all about crimson arcglave and those dragon fairfrozenssss.
     
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    Those calculations are with skiis hitting the attack speed cap, so SI giving +4.

    SI currently gives +4 atk speed though. According to @Narutard he hits the same number of attacks per minute with a ST and a claymore, indicating that they're both hitting cap.
     
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    SI currently replaces Booster and gives +3 speed from lvl 1-20 in MapleRoyals.
     
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    Let's give some love and respect to the one-handed guys, shall we? What about one-handed + shield for Heroes?
    I mean Stonetooth isn't the only option here. Although with just a regular booster, the attack speed might already be capped with one-handed weapons. (e.g Sparta is fast(4) I believe, not completely sure.)
     
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    Depends on what you want, OP. Do you want to be fast, be flashy and do lots of damage? Play Hero. Do you want to be slow, have tons of HP and use Berserk for your DPM? Go Dark Knight. I'm no pro at DrK vs Hero, but I'm pretty sure Hero wins the DPM due to Speed Infusion + ST. But if you ask me, just play whatever you like.
    I'm almost on daily??
     
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    Blasphemy has already done these calculations on his weapon comparison thread.

    Edit: I'm also on my buccaneer daily.
     
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    It's still ridiculously hard to find a bucc for lets say Horntail. Thats all im trying to say.
     
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    Just gotta run with synergy more haha :)
     
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    It is done under the assumption that SI is fully working. SI that only gives 3+ speed would only cement Hero even further as the better DPS.

    Also I compared Sky Ski and Dragon Faltizan (although not in depth) here and it shows Sky Ski being better than Faltizan without SI at least:
    http://royals.ms/forum/threads/spear-speed-question.20295/#post-117199
    Faltizan might still have a slight edge over Sky Ski on SI.

    I very much doubt anyone would want to use a Crimson Arcglaive though as it is a Polearm and the few Polearm users that exist would opt for Purple Surfboard over Arcglaive

    http://royals.ms/forum/threads/sword-comparisons.20163/

    I just went with stonetooth in this thread because they're more popular and I didn't feel like doing more calculations. I agree that 1h sword deserves more recognition than it's currently getting though. Personally my weapon of choice would be Red Katana because I want to be as strong as possible without party buffs.
     
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    Haider=Drk
    Haider>
    Therefore Drk>
     
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    They seem to be getting +4 :p



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    What I found doesn't match the chart exactly(Or does it? I was half asleep) but it confirms that both 5 and 6 speed cap at 2 speed while 7 speed turns into 3.
     
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    This is correct, and skis even are still better with SI, so there's really no reason to choose a faltizan:
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    (I used the weapon comparison program from the Warrior Guide thread).
    If you're wondering why I choose the speeds as normal/slow the program already adds the booster as seen in the hpm it shows.
     

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