Hi there! Sorry dont understand the hp wash calc. Here are my stats. MW20, 300 base 151 buffed. I want to be able to HT at a reasonable Lvl. I want to be able to get 30k hp by ~200 When can i put my 300 base int>luk to achieve said things? Thanks in advace!
You can wash out all INT now to LUK and do all the other things for HP if you want and hit 30k hp at level 120. If you don't want to do that it's going to look something like this: If you mp-wash from your current level 71 until level 135 you gain 12480 extra mp 12480 extra mp nets you 16640~24960 hp You get 16640 minimum from regular washing (-mp, +hp) and at most 24960 hp from doing the thief thing (level up AP into hp -> apr(-mp,+luk) 24960/12/5=208 To gain the maximum possible value of 24960 hp from 12480 extra mp you need to level up 208 more times. Completing your wash at level 343, wich is quite hard to pull off atm. However with the many alternative sources of hp assuming you are willing to put in some work to reach an absurd hp-value. +5k hp is not hard at to gain. that means if you mp-wash to level 135 you can prolly wash all INT to LUK once you hit like 8k~10k hp. Wich I think you'll hit by level 135. It can prolly done cheaper and more optimised, you can copy my maths and plug your own values from another post I made recently:
Hey great guide, just a little confuse where you said in step 2. Repeat Until Done, Repeat steps 1 and 2 or just 2 after completing 1? Can anyone help out, Thanks in advance
is the guide still recommended in 2024? im a returning player and i found out there are few quests that can boost your HP until you reach a specific amount of max HP. im thinking to grind and max out the HP from the daily then only start MP washing, is this ok?
You really dont need to wash anymore. My ironman NL (no-party, no-trade challenge) has 10k hp at lvl 155 with 4 base int, 5 total APR used and barely any repeatable quests done. Neither do I have all meta gear that gains you more hp. However, mp-washing specifically is really not worth the effort and costs with less than 150-200 base INT. It's up to you. You can do a bit of Hp-washing with the extra mp gained from your all-stat gear sich as a zhelm.
did they increase the natural hp gain for NL? the guide that i referred to, is saying 5395 hp for a lv155 night lord how did you get the other 5k HP with just few repeatable quests and 5 APR?
Yes, they did. I do not know when that was changed and what guides/wash calculators are up to date or not. Neither have I ever used one or know someone who does. Beside 1 guide that unfortunately has been auto-deleted due to long forum inactivity wich just listed the basic hp/mp formulas and mp to hp conversion rates. I have done the elinia quest, a few Olaf Assignments. Yellow Belt and 1x 150hp pet equip. For my other normie chars. Right now, as most people, I just click INT on level up to around 200 Base INT and wash out all INT around 120-150 depending on how much i just want to play the game. I mp-wash as long as I care enough to delete meso from the game and wash more HP later whenever I need it for content
I am currently washing a new Shadower using this guide, and it still holds up to this day. The requirement of needing HP wash is up to you and you alone. Its a debate as old as time, but really the choice is yours. Do it or don't do it. Its up to you. I recommend washing because its easier. More expensive but easier.
Hi, currently washing a bandit that's now level 83. I've been following this guide closely as it's my first time washing, i have two questions about the guide: 1) The level 71-135 section, why do we only MP wash during these levels and not HP wash? Why not just continue what we've been doing for levels 31-70? (HP wash, and MP wash if extra MP is <60?) 2) I see this line in the guide: "2. If you are impatient you may -MP +HP to desired HP to reach your goal. 3. You will eventually need to do step 2 because you run out of level ups" How do we do this? because you can't use an APR directly to do this, without fresh AP going into HP or MP first. Thanks!
You will gain more MP from HP washing with a base INT above 200, than you will gain from MP washing below 200 base int. If you put fresh AP into HP, you can only get roughly 6 extra HP per fresh AP, vs 20-30 MP per fresh ap, when 24 MP is 2 HP washes with -MP +HP method. So you will gain more from MP washing, than you will HP washing. To do this method, you need 1 AP into HP. IF you want to do this without leveling up, you need use an APR to either -luk,dex,int,str and then +HP or level up and put a fresh AP into HP. From here you use an APR and -MP +HP over and over until desired HP is achieved if you have the MP.
Long story short here, if you have 600 base INT.... 1 fresh AP = 60+ new MP. 12 MP is 16-20 HP. 1 fresh AP into HP is 20-24 HP. so instead of just 20-24 per 1 fresh AP from HP wash, you will gain 5 x 16-20 per 1 fresh AP. so you would gain roughly 400 extra HP per 5 fresh AP at 600 base int. If you HP washed 5 fresh AP, you would only gain roughly 110 HP.
To reference the 600 base int... My current washing character is 600 base INT and I am currently MP washing it. And yes these numbers are real.
gotcha, thx for the detailed explanation and example, it makes sense after reading this. ty for answering my Q's!
im abit lost here have been adding some fresh AP to HP, but decided to hold the fresh AP at one point since i can wash twice with one fresh AP in MP, can i put all my fresh AP into MP now and wash it out to HP/LUK later? i want to have higher MP pool too, so i dont waste pots im hoping to get 20k+ HP, how do i calculate the stats to know if the goal is within reach? also question about people advising to reach HP goal @ Lv140~165, do they boss with INT until those levels before washing out their base INT?
If you want you can now just add all AP into MP. I advise to do it as you have APR, but its up to you if you don't want to wait. 170 Fresh AP with 400 base INT will get you at a minimum 6800 more mp than you currently have. that would put your base MP to at least 12480. You could gain roughly 15.5k hp on top of your 8715 you already have with that extra mp. But to do that, you would go back to base MP. You currently can hit 20k hp with maybe 2-4k washable mp if you put all fresh AP into MP and then HP wash that MP. You only need to hit 11-12k HP by 155 so that you can HT. They do NOT boss with base INT. They either just have extra MP held, or have finished hp washing. To start bossing you NEED to get rid of base INT.
do i just -MP and +HP till i cant do it anymore? because where am i supposed to get my LUK from? im assuming since every fresh MP can let me wash twice so when i -MP to +HP, i can still -MP to LUK because i have invested AP into HP/MP everytime i do it?
To dumb it down. Yes. -MP +HP. Requiring you to have 1 AP put into either MP or HP to be able to do. You get your LUK from removing your base INT. You should not attack anything if you have 400 base INT on a Night Lord. You can get by with it on Shad MAYBE, if you Meso Explode. The only way for you to attack anything and actually do more than throw a wet paper towel at it, you need to remove your base INT and add it to LUK. You should only remove your base INT *********AFTER********** you reach the goal you are aiming for.
