Community Blacklist

1. IGN: Lord4th
2. REASON: scam nx / harrashment
3. DETAILS:
Honestly, there are many things I feel are unfair. Even if I didn't play well and made frequent mistakes, he doesn't have the right to talk to me like this.

1. He intentionally looted my NX and didn't offer a proper apology or compensation few weeks ago. Of course, he might argue that he looted it because I didn't, but he wrote my name as 'manny' instead of 'mandi', which confused me into thinking that NX belonged to someone else.
(I was going to let it slide because I appreciated him running the party, but I had to bring it up because of what happened this time)

2. Recently, in an 18-man VL run, he publicly humiliated me by saying that I caused the worst run ever because I didn't play Bishop well, and he even sent me such a message personally. I feel very unfairly treated regarding my play. Although it was clearly my mistake to die at the end, I had to res six people at once, and there were so many deaths that it was impossible to clear. How can all the blame be placed on me?




even though I successfully fulfilled my duties as a bishop in the last week's previous run, and despite listing other characters when signing up, he still chose me as a bishop and reacted like that. Is he just trying to blame me?

 

This is such a humiliating way to deshame someone @final1094 .
Why can't you just let one unsuccessful boss run slide and wait for the next run? A failed VL run is not gonna kill you or something smh

I have been called out the same way while raiding in another game. I felt so ashamed and demotivated, and that made me quit the game eventually. I was doing my best without any intention to ruin everyone's run, and when I got called out like that getting blamed on everything, it just broke my heart.

Everyone has their first time in particular bosses, and everyone has their bad days that may cause some issues irl.
Maybe @veen11 might have had issues understanding English (Royals player base is surprisingly global) because he is not a native speaker.
He might have forced himself to the raid because he did not want to ruin the run by not showing up when he was actually outside his home for some urgent matter.

@final1094 , please talk it out gently before throwing tantrums and commenting shit on someone's face.
A failed boss run does not grant you a right to harass someone like that.

 

First off no one publicly humiliated you at all. I simply said in voice chat that this was the worst run I've ever been on before leaving VC that was it. You made a post in the sign up thread after the run to explain all the things you did wrong then try to call me out because of your own short comings. Instead of responding to your post I DMed you instead to keep it porivate and yea maybe I was too harsh and I do apologize there but quit acting like you're the victim because this was all in DMs. You are the one posting in the public blacklist, You are the one airing dirty laundry, so lets air dirty laundry.

Before the run started you had a lot of background noise from your mic and several people asked you to please mute your mic which you ignored. At B1 you messed up res/TL order by missing TL then continuously kept not using HSH and attacking the wrong side. We had to keep telling you to HSH and to attack the correct side which you still never did. During b3 again you were told many times to HSH and you didn't which resulted in party 3 getting stunned, lasered, then killed. While trying to get the res off you were unresponsive the ENTIRE time. When your turn was up we wasted too much time trying to get you into the party to get everyone ressed because you would not listen and leave party. We had to use TL on the other 2 bishops to use their res for the dead people then you die. We exhaust our res again and now your up and then you die. All i simply said after the run was "this was the worst run i've ever been on" THATS IT. I logged off VC and that was it. You were never called out publicly, you called me out and at least I DMed you. I have lead several runs in this server and I try to be as pleasant to everyone as possible but I will not sit by while you try to call me a scammer or try to play victim after causing my run to fail and making 16 people waste their time and meso. Quit acting like a victim and actually try to improve yourself. You have been on some of my runs in the past and I have had issues with you then. You accused me of stealing your 5k nx card when we repeated SEVERAL times in the VC during that run to come and loot your card. Sorry if i spelled your name 1 letter off but with 10 seconds left I looted it because it was going to disappear but that is far from scamming. All you want to do is drag someone through the dirt because you did a horrendous job playing a boss.

We have been running for months and ask anyone, no one has issues. I run a clean and fair server and we have lots of people, regulars and new comers that join us each week. Everyone has always been welcome and week after week we run good, successful runs. You paint a picture like I'm some monster but ask any of the other 150 people in the server if they have ever had an issue? Seems to be just you.

 

Honestly?
It now looks a lot clearer.

Your patience is insane, I personally would not take that during a full on VL run (which is probably an hour or so I assume).
Pls go on, we really didn't have a good drama in a while.
#NeverForgetKrexChannel8

 

I took the time to watch 3rd body on that run to see what went down out of curiousity, here's the link:
here

I don't personally know you, and I do know Mandi from several runs, but what I wanna tell you is in all honestly not biased, and I don't say it out of hate, just genuine observation and advice as someone who has been in your exact position many times.
Take it if you will, feel free to ignore it if you want as well.

- There is no set protocol for Res/TL, you have dead members make res parties instead of bishops on a set rotation, which causes a lot of confusion, slow resses and the run spirals down as a result.
12 mans runs are much less structured in that sense, for bigger and more inclusive runs you need to have protocols for those situations, since people will lack the experience, and the more experienced bishops will have to take care of things.
- You clearly recruited too many inexperienced players to have a safe clear, which is perfectly fine of course - but you need to consider the risk in advance, and if failing is unacceptable you also need to draw the line in the recruiting stage.
- He was definitely making mistakes, and maybe an experienced bishop could get off that last res and holy shield on time, but as an organizer you need to expect that from a bishop on their 2nd run ever.
- What was said by you in this vod from 57:30 forward (for about 2 minutes), is honestly not a good look as a leader.

In short, as organizers we need to take responsibility for our failed runs.
I know the feeling of being mad at an individual, but you can't just lash out at them publicly like that, it's humiliating and demotivating.
And what's more important - it's a bad look to kick someone out of a group because they're bad in your opinion.
You can talk to them, try to help them improve, invite them to safer runs only, invite them on their more experienced chars, whatever really.
If you truly tried your best to help said person improve and approached them in a positive way and they don't show signs of improving, it would be ok imo to tell them nicely that you will have to leave them out of runs often.
The way you dealt with this just seems impulsive to me, and it's problematic that you double down and air dirty laundry.
Having those thoughts is fine, you can share them with your close circle or fellow organizers, but towards the group you need to show good leadership and just say something along the lines of "unlucky, it happens", even if you are boiling inside.

After a run like this ends you can make some conclusions and change things as you like, for example you can decide:
- Not to run inclusive runs anymore, and just run smaller parties for profits.
- Not to have open recruits and handpick your members.
- Limit the amount of new/inexperienced people.
etc.
These are all fine decisions.

In my honest opinion this sort of conflicts can be group enders, and for your own sake and other's it's better to just reflect on it and apologize.

Again, these are just my thoughts as a fellow organizer, I honestly was thinking if I should even reply because I really don't have a dog in this fight, and in this community its sometimes risky to speak on such matters, but I hope you can take it as positive feedback.
Hope you both find a way to work this situation out.

 

1. IGN: Exculprism @Ghostie
2. REASON: Really bad at VL
3. DETAILS:

I’m currently on my VL server break as I enjoy the finest of what Japan has to offer but had to break my silence.

Honestly after watching Mandikana’s bishop I sat down with a highball and anime girl doll in my hands and wondered, are there any bishops worse I can recall. Yes there is, its Exculprism.

I am here to publicly shame @Ghostie.

• His pretty bad at hshing, probably watching TV while VLing
• He’s the type of guy to come late and when everyone is inside ask if anyone can help scroll
• He didn’t even know dispel worked on slow until maybe his 3-4th run. He wouldn’t use it even when his own bishop was slowed

I do have a dog in this fight. Exculprism is that dog.

 

This is hilarious but also ima speak up as someone who happened to be in both of these runs as a casual player

Vincent coming in here and crying “F4 me harassed me skemmed” is really far from what actually happened that its funny lol (Harley’s flame was vicious though )

The entire run was extremely patient all run for this obnoxious, non-responsive bishop. Sadly toxicity arose during a critical part during a 1Hour runs failure+ ending but until it was for sure doomed I thought everyone was more than accommodating for newer runners, as it always usually is.

@veen11 joined the 18-21man voice channels never saying or contributing anything yet had persistent sound/static feedback, voice breathing, and random family sounds and banging noises. Several ppl (including me) told him something along the lines of “dude with the dog photo stop” or “plz mute” at least 10 minutes before and 10 minutes into the run.

He would later ask after “why did ppl mute me” lol cmon

Mid-run he was really confusing to watch as a fellow bishop. It was to the point where I spoke up several times about the “solo attack bishop ” shooting angel ray on the wrong side and aggro-ing the boss while the rest of the run has been dealing with gargoyles on right side or just in another area with mobs like at throne

IMO claiming jail as an excuse for his bishop actions and typing paragraphs in the VL channel + posting here is just him deflecting and finding a way to ragebait the channel/server creator. The NX was a non issue too, it was gone anyways unless Harley looted it and we all waited and asked whos it was leading up to it

 

If harley has 5 million fans I am one of them. If harley has ten fans I am one of them. If harley has only one fan, then that is me. If harley has no fans, that means I am no more on the Earth. ⛪️ If the world is against harley, I am against the world ✍️

 

We all wish we had that buddy to come talk down someone for you.

 

So about the hsh and how supposedly badly he played, I watched the video (pov of the drk in his pt before the vid was taken down :>) and here are my findings cos I got bored after hence I'm here to feed the drama (and also because the more I think about it the more I feel bad for the guy and dislike how the consensus seems to be that he played badly when imo he didn't even play that badly):

Spoiler: How often did he hsh

55:14 (these are approx timers left on clock) – hsh
52:48 – no hsh (but only drk+bs was not jailed, maybe he wanted to wait for people to come out? But he also didn’t hsh even after they came out, so I don’t see the logic here. But then again it was already fair bit later at 5210 and gargs were dying. There could be better play here (I'd personally hsh despite most of pt being jailed), but it only affected 1 melee pt member here, not the end of the world, and definitely not on the level of “continuously kept not using hsh”)
50:16 – hsh
47:22 - hsh
44:51 – hsh
42:11 – hsh (5s late ish)
39:59 – hshed early for golems but garg came at 39:45 anyway, hsh lasted for most of it
37:12 – hsh
34:34 – hsh
30:25 – hsh
27:52 – hsh
25:15 – hsh
22:42 – hsh
20:xx – no hsh (was out of sight due to jail but the vid pov char/drk came out of jail to no hsh, yet bs also had no hsh for himself/was stunned so bs did not have it active either, no idea if ran out or it was entirely not used?? something went wrong here)
17:41 – no hsh as bs is out of pt from before (he asked for pt invite at 1815, but was not in pt?)
15:08 – hshed 20s late only when pt asked (actually no excuse for him this time, he was just spamming dispel without hshing for some reason)
12:36 – no hsh. bs was jailed 3s after garg spawn. Mind you garg appeared this time without animation, there is no time to hsh early.
10:00 – hsh
7:20 – no hsh as bishop is dead
4:43 – no hsh as bishop is out of pt

he wasn't perfect at it, but a lot of it was not being in pt/dead or some weird jail thing going on

Spoiler: Other things that happened

- Early voice chat mentioned some pearljam guy who also had random mic sounds. Someone else who ran also mentioned that not one, but multiple people had mic issues. I didn't hear Jaebin's mic things from the video but if that's what the runners say happened, then so be it. But from what it seemed like, it wasn't only him. Idk why it's so difficult for the owners to just mute/global mute the people on vc, but whatever.

- After asking for pt at 18:15 and typing/tping around, jaebin got lasered around 17:50 (lived tho). Voice chat was memeing saying uh oh jaebin, watch out jaebin, uh oh jaebin, battle bishop~. You guys might just be joking around (and it is indeed bad play to get lasered, and we also rightfully meme him and others in our runs sometimes, but the tone used here was honestly not very nice). At this point I don't think he did very badly in the run yet, but maybe I missed something lol.

- At 17:41 gargs spawned. Jaebin was not in pt. At 17:30 they decided to tl and told all bs to leave. His pt asked for hsh before leaving and was like oh, he already left, my party didn’t get it, etc. BUT this was because no one pted him back at 18:15 when he asked, not because he left pt without hshing first. Voice chat started memeing “jaebin is attack bishop, no need hsh” but he had not even in pt for the past minute so who is to be blamed here ?_? Btw no one replied/acknowledged him at ~18:15 when he asked for pi. Someone on the thread said he is (obnoxious and) non responsive and but at some point at least, it goes both ways.

- at 9:05 jaebin died to dispel animation cancel into claw attack. No fault of his really, just unlucky, you’re dead unless very high hp (over 15k? maybe 17k+) or you can somehow re-mg in half a sec

- it took from his death at 905 to 531 on timer for jaebin to be res-ed again. From the video I have no idea what happened here or whose fault it is but there was huge confusion with the dead pt. By this point gargs are permanently around and it was stuncity.

- at 4:56 two of jaebin’s original pt get garg-stunned into laser and die as there is no bishop in pt to heal. Idk why he’s not in pt after his res at 5:31, did the pt lead not invite back or did he not rejoin as there are 2 other dead people to res, idk. I think it was because everyone was rushing golems down. Either way no one noticed or asked to invite/be invited, the fault is probably not just one person's

- After this point 5 people are dead, voice chat is asking someone to make a dead pt asap (it’s messy). Alvida starts a dead pt. Jaebin says to leave, he will invite for res. Alvida pts jaebin instead and he accepts, but the moment she passes lead to him he gets garg stunned into laser and dies at 4:00. Alvida tells Jaebin he is now leader and voice chat tells him to hurry and invite people/bs. Jaebin adds +2 dead people to the pt and it is now max, but there is now no space for bishop (at 3:32). At 3:18 he finally kicks someone and adds the other bishop to pt, but at this point 2-3 more people are dead and the timer is gg, but they res anyway, even though organizers say the run is done. He immediately starts to gen golems and dies to some rocks in gen animation a while later (rip safety charms, lol). Honestly this was a whole mess and I don't see why only a single person is to blame for this. There are like 8-9 dead people by the end of this? If he's slow to kick, then someone else could also have left pt instead of making him kick one, I'm sure there are many ways things could be better. I know time was super tight and they needed res asap, but it took about 40s from his joining pt/death to the res, and that's not even that bad. The whole starting the dead party thing before just wasted a lot of time.

I think I might have missed some of the details as some parts of the video was muted, but I honestly think he tried hard (to dispel pt and gargs, gen mobs, etc). Even when he probably shouldn't have as he might be better focusing on simple things while he's new to the class. Even if he makes mistakes here and there. Hell, everyone else was also dying left and right (and I see repeat offenders for these dead people despite the many runs they've done), there's no way the issue was on just one guy.

As a new bishop he made mistakes (some laser and a handful of weird jail-hshs) and could be better, but was overall fine and doesn't deserve the hate? Idk why he's being memed on as a battle bishop either, I think gen is really useful for mobs.

The nx thing is silly though :>

Note: I wasn't in the run so this is all just opinions from what I hear on this thread and what I see from the run video. I've run with both of these players before and I generally like them, everyone has a bad day now and then lol.

 

The reason I used Genesis:
I was confident I wouldn't die in phase 1 and 2, and when Von Leon ate the golems after our first golem failure, I thought our DPS wasn't sufficient to clear it moving forward.

The reason I attacked VL from the opposite side:
I only did this from the far left corner, being mindful of Von Leon's movement timing.

Also, I kept my mic on but I didn't know that other people/Harley muted me until the end of the run as I was focusing. If I had a chance to speak and communicate during the run, I believe this wouldn't have happened. I was speaking to myself believing everyone can hear me, while they were joking about me attacking VL. I also want to include that I atked VL when rest of the people were focusing on mobs to prevent rock pattern repeating.

As you can see from ZJZJ's HSH analysis, you should be able to notice that they are falsely accusing me for not using HSH.

Also, I wasn't aware of any background noise on my end during the game. At least someone should have mentioned it in the in-game chat that I was muted. In the end, it is everyone's loss for my slow reaction from muting me.

There are three bishops in this party. Isn't everyone's lack of experience the problem rather than blaming all on me? Overall death rate was high.

And right after you called this failure the "worst run," you publicly stated that you would cancel the next scheduled run "because of the bishop." How is that not an insulting publically?

And the point of this conversation isn't about my performance. Regardless of how I performed, you insulted me. That's the issue. Whether I played it perfectly or made mistakes, the fact remains that you, as a leader, failed to clearly distinguish right from wrong, chose to insult someone who seemed vulnerable, and handled everything emotionally. That's why I added you to blacklist.
(scam nx)

 

Yeah ussually people who talk like that when they get angry its hard to think they are not going to lie about things and steal so. I have no real proof but based on this.

 

+1 to blacklist @Ghostie
sharing more toxic 101 tips as a pro bishop

- summons bahamut and block everyone's vision
- solo hsh and dp and let your team be slowed and garg stunned
- spam heal when there's a drk in the party
- angel ray to aggro 1 golem and lure out of attacker range
- always say res is on cd
- res when rock animation is out so people instant die when they revive
- don't heal those hit by lazer 1/1 and laugh at them
- equip pet pouch before vl dies and loot all drops
- play random animal sound noises and claim that you live in the forest in case you dc
- be the last to arrive without scroll so the rest of the party have to slave for you

 

eh, its just wrong to act like a child and throw a tantrum but it is what it is you know?

 

Nahhh ain't no way "spam heal when there is a DrK in the party" I'd cry

 

To be honest this seems reasonable to me. @Ghostie should be added.
I would like to add to this because I had an experience with Ghostie also. Some time ago, Ghostie wore a ghost costume (I don't know why a ghost would wear a ghost costume, really weird) and stood by my bed when I was sleeping. When I woke up, I asked him wtf and he said nothing. I again asked him wtf he was doing in my apartment but no answer. I asked a third time, this time with anger in my voice, and he used the Doom skill on me to turn me into a snail for a few seconds and ran off while yelling "You have no rizz".

Very weird situation. I never told anyone this before but now when I see other things Ghostie has done, I felt the need to share this.

 

Blacklist for IGN: xKoenx from Eternal Guild (LV180 NL)
Was allocated Spot 2 for APQ.

Reason: In APQ, claimed to get 2 appos for the first round and hit the correct boxes but in fact he was hitting one of my party member's boxes (Spot 1) & AFK-ing during runs not to mention when the run started he Smegad joining other expedition party for bosses..

All party members proceeded to check with him if he is aware of the Bon map to which based on his replied as shown in the SS "spot for me middle all middle", "yes middle" and being oblivious to the situation. Completely lying and scamming us. Till the end, tried to coax us to thinking that he understood the map when we double checked with him the number allocated and the colour border that he was supposed to hit was completely wrong.

I understand that since we are playing on a global server not many people's English are proficient but we were patiently speaking to him and checking if he understands. However, he kept all party members waiting for his reply for like >2mins ruining the run. Take at your own discretion when inviting him for other contents.

 

Personally, from my experience from yesterday's Zakum run with him as well.. I have no screenshots of the chat but the party I was helping (Chocalate, TheOPSin, MrAssassin, Jungo) had made an agreement for event coins to be claimed by the leader (MrAssassin) of said-zakum 1st run.
MrAssassin and I were co-hosting the runs since they're pretty new to bossing with parties. I did not claim any splits either. I was strictly going to help Chocalate who asked me in FM to HS mule for them. Koen was the EOF dropper but that was just for the NX cards that dropped. (think everyone is aware if you drop EOF, you get the nx and share the rest of the loot, unless otherwise stated). but anyways, he had agreed for coins to be taken by MrAssassin...but at the end, he killed the coins and looted the event boxes/coins anways. I dont think it's a language barrier. He just doesn't care, maybe.

Oh, i also need to return OPsin's EOF lol. PM me when you get the chance, LazyWolf.

 

I'm MrAssassin and can confirm. We agreed that i loot boxes and coins and he drops EOF on first round for NX. I made sure beforhand that hes understands and he said yes. When the zak got killed, he looted nx and kill all coins and looted boxes. we even told him to stop and he didn't. when we finished and got out he told us "ok ty for zak i only join for 1" and we kinda "agreed" to do 2 runs. i got a gen 20 drop, gave him his split and just wanted to get over with this guy.

Just don't add him to your activities and make the same mistake.

 

1. IGN: Creedlemon
2. REASON: Loot stealing
3. DETAILS: Nothing too specific, everytime he bosses with someone he steals all the loots and then goes on smega to say he didnt do so