Community Blacklist

Hello!

I do not know briefing or pepe9191x and do not give my opinions at all, but this one seems very one-sided in the wrong direction.

The screenshots should have been in the correct format (not cropped), but pepe9191x’s testimony has been inconsistent with excuses on multiple details of his story, while being rude and difficult. By his own admittance he has not worked towards an actual solution in good faith, and the screenshots support this. It is like telling a jury the evidence presented was not permissible and scratching it from the record (screenshots not in the correct format) when what we all just saw was damning. Even if he was not contacted on discord due to mistake, the notion at this point that he was unreachable is at this point unbelievable. He received the book and owed fair value to ALL the participants. He, at best, unjustly enriched the other participants on accident, or at worst, intentionally neglected briefing. The value owed does not mitigate his responsibility to pay all the members as expected, and he cannot deflect that by blaming the party leader as he was the buyer. Most of the community has always been on the same page regarding this.

The community supported briefing’s claims based on the criteria in tandem with pepe9191x’s responses. It is unusual that the result of this is that briefing is banned for ban evasion, when his original intent was to bring awareness to the community of a potential bad actor. To be clear, briefing should absolutely be banned for breaking the rules, as should anyone else who does so. Biases occur based on a prior relationship. If it so turns out pepe9191x’s relationships with the minority supporters were targeting briefing, a suspicion of conflict of interest and imbalance of power will naturally make members question and lose faith.

Briefing should be banned. Conflicts of interests should be questioned. Pepe9191x was wrong.

 

Disclaimer: I know none of these people.

I might be missing something but how is everyone blaming mostly the buyer for not splitting properly? I haven't seen any proper screenshots, just he said she said and for all we know the buyer joined party after the bishop, party leader said to give attackers 40m each and buyer did. Not saying that's the case but there are a lot of blame and insults being thrown around without any concrete evidence.
Also nitpicking over inconsistencies like 200m vs 215m like some people do is useless and just distracts from the actual discussion which is why Briefing did not get any split and who is responsible. Seems to me it's not clear who is so I can also understand the buyer being unwilling to compensate 33m.

 

Only two people who can check indepth logs, Tim and Matt. Matt probably doesn’t unless it’s an emergency as he has many other things to do than look at vote abuse/ban evasion related reports.

There’s almost a zero chance Tim cares to look up people via the blacklist, he probably has an insane backlog as it is, as he’s the only one who can look at the logs (maybe Becca can but hard maybe).

Someone probably reported him manually and Tim finally got around to that report.

Tim probably did a manual background check regardless of what the report was and a banned account probably got flagged on that same IP.

 

This will be my final post about this situation, but in the TOC it says, "Scamming - The act of intentionally defrauding others during in-game transactions to gain any sort of advantage over other players".
One could easily just recruit a public run, accidentally leave someone out and easily say "Woops, totally forgot but it's not my fault, it's theirs, I'm not gunna do shit about it." and then gain an unfair advantage and they will still be within the rules. Or if someone is even more malicious comes around, they can gather their buddies and get 1 random and "accidentally/unknowingly" forget to give their split and do the "well, idk but it's not my fault" they will still get away with it because who in that group is going to snitch besides that 1 random. One unfairly loses their share while the other unfairly gains and it is not healthy for the game.

 

I'm not here for that long to compare or anything, but the addition of heidi & foxy was fantastic, and they're been acting really well as interns.
Ban appeals are not left unanswered, and even getting answers in a pretty quick manner.
Kudos to both Heidi and Foxy and to the staff as a whole.
Thanks for clearing up many speculations, I think now we can safely return to reporting people who accidently took an apple on APQ.

 

That's very reassuring to hear. Thank you Tim.

 

1. IGN: FrappeOrMe / MyEyesOnYou
2. REASON: Attempting to Price fix / Scam
3. DETAILS: For context, I don't really care to get them on the "Blacklist," this is more for visibility so that other players don't let this happen to them.

I smega'd B> a 6+ DEX Spectrum Goggles, and MyEyesOnYou messaged me 1.2b for their 6 dex 2 str goggles. I then went to Owl to see if there is any other prices to evaluate this one, which is where I found a Spectrum Goggles for sale with the same stats selling for 1.1b

I then went to make an offer and told them that 1.2b is too high if someone is selling the exact same stat for 1.1b, but then they said "I think its sold, didn't find the specs as you mentioned"

I went to FrappeOrMe's shop to go look for the Specs, but they were not sold, simply taken out of the merchant. I then noticed that FrappeOrMe and MyEyesOnYou were in the same guild, Pokka, so I already figured out that this person tried to manipulate prices for their specs in a scummy way.

Lying and saying the specs have sold to try entice a sale is quite scummy, and I did not want to deal anymore. I called them out for it in whispers, so they tried to downplay their manipulation after, but I wasn't dealing with any of it lol. hopefully this post will make sure they don't try this type of stuff again. Again, not sure if this warrants an addition to the blacklist, but I'd want other community members to avoid this person and type of behavior since I'm sure I wasn't the first person they had tried this on.

 

That seems pretty sus indeed. I wonder if they offered to give you another smega for a reason

 

Yeah lol, after that they kept messaging me so I blacklist them on my character, but they kept going to my CC to confront me about it. Don't really know how this thread works but just want people to be aware

 

You are welcome to post anything from the confrontation if you have something. I wonder what they confronted you about. Not like you did anything wrong lol

 

Could u clarify what the criteria of adding ppl to loot stealing are? I made a similar report but there was no feedback from OP.

 

I don't always respond if other people responded instead. It's a community blacklist, not my personal list so to speak, so I don't always find it necessary. The criteria is simply evidence. In your case, it seemed like the guy was sorry for it and didn't realize he messed up. I suppose if you want to go ahead and have him added because he didn't pay 10m for the head, then we could have a look at it again.

 

Yes plz do.

To summarize what ppl said: he had enough time to leave the map because when players enter a map, there are 18 sec before they can loot anything from other players’ kill.

From the victim’s (my) perspective, 3 times in that 18 seconds I have told him to leave but he didn’t care about looting other people’s drop;
he said asking him to compensate for his bannable behavior/mistake is blackmailing and I don’t see him really want to change his behavior.

 

Just a friendly reminder tho , "4. First-time offenders may appeal for removal from the blacklist in good faith." there is nothing stopping him from appealing to be removed since it's his first and only recorded offense.

 

So, looking at it again, there's no map ownership command used, so the only evidence here is him apologizing for it instead of denying it happened. It doesn't look he meant anything bad by it, but sure, he could have done the right thing by giving you mesos for the head. Not knowing the server rules is not really an excuse either. If it was, a lot of vote abusers would get away with breaking the rule quite often ^^.

Personally... eh? Keep the report up and if he does it again to you or someone else and evidence is provided, then put him on the list, because at that point he should be more aware of it. My opinion on the matter.

Also important to notice that lootstealing warrants a 3 day ban if reported. Blacklist, unless appealed to be removed, is forever basically. Maybe a bit rough for a one time incident of a small item not worth all that much.

 

That’s why I asked about the criteria.

This report basically doesn’t have more info than mine (e.g. mapownership) (my bad, I see the mapowner line now) but it’s easily and quickly added. Your reason in the last paragraph is not valid as is pointed out by @Ruruchi the loot stealer can appeal for removal.
Yet another case is added to the list without mapownership (Jan 2024):

Spoiler: 1

https://royals.ms/forum/threads/community-blacklist.166479/page-171#post-1389405

Keep in mind this community blacklist is only valid if the community believes in the impartiality and consistency of it.

Spoiler: reporting garhe

IGN: Garhe
Reason: looting dinner sets without permission then running away to another ch to loot someone else's sets
Details: I was farming dinner sets for all my characters and when a random pig dropped 3 pieces of a set this dude entered my map, asked if there is spare food and looted it instantly when I moved my second char to loot it to complete my last set.
If I didn't reply him so obviously the answer is no.

I whispered him stating that he looted without my permission and that he has to give it back or I will blacklist him, when I saw that he constantly does it I used a smega right away and he replied after doing so "Smega it again".
I will also fill a report, as you can see in my picture I am the mapowner for over 20 minutes so he may NOT loot even a single snail shell if I didn't permit him to do so.

I'm not a person that likes dramas but when some1 behaves with such a total ignorance I will not tolerate it!

Spoiler: reporting beansbucc

1. IGN: BeansBucc
2. REASON: Loot Stealing
3. DETAILS:
Unlucky day, farmed 10 HH to get a Jack O'Lantern for my new character. Finally got one and was handling TP stuff (needed to get a VIP rock in fm).
Meanwhile I saw a dude came to the same map, and I told him:
"cc plz"
"cc"
and "don't"

Still he walked to the right side of the map and looted the HH head.

Killing the HH was fast (but finding one is kinda annoying) and I didn't do mapowner stuff, so this won't be accepted in Report Abuse. Hence here we are.

In the conversation, he kinda comfirms that he loots the Jack O'Lantern, and refuses to pay 10m.

I deem 10m a reasonable price because I saw people selling HH head at 15m, 10m or 8m, and also need to cover the VIP rock. The maps (and another 2 maps) are all cleared so the rock is pretty much wasted.

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The examples aren't wrong, they were added. It was more about the attitude though. BeansBucc apologized, so the only reason to consider adding him would be because he offered to pay for the VIP rock, but not the head which he took even after being told to cc a couple times.
But, is it really worth putting them on the list, which they will remain on until appealed, if they ever appeal it at all, over a 5m dispute they at least had the decency to apologize for? I think it's a grey area. One of those cases of, let's add them if they do it again, otherwise let's leave it here as a warning and that's it.

But fine, I guess. Personally a bit split on it, but it's not just up to me. Feel free to share opinions, if you have any. Added for now.

@kachau
Went ahead with your report too. Added it as a suspected price fix scam. If he/they see this, they are welcome to explain what happened from their point of view.

 

Just showed up in my ulu2 map, started looting without saying anything, saw me, continued to loot, would not go away, dropped his fame, he kept hitting.

I don't know why it's not letting me upload forums.

IGN: lolmyass

 

you should report such actions to gms as well, its a bannable offence and I dont think the blacklist would be too effective against it.