Closed Forum warning ban appeal

Discussion in 'Ban Appeal' started by McPew, Jan 26, 2025.

  1. McPew
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    McPew Donator

    ALL Your Character Names: This forum account
    Last thing you did: Posting the following in community blacklist
    Why do you think you got banned?: Based on the points highlighted by Heidi, there could have been 10 possible reasons:
    1. Consistent doubleposting, spamming or thread flooding - its highly unlikely its this as i condense all information into 1 post.
    2. Posting in the wrong section or posting the same content in multiple sections, or posting the same content in multiple section - Not applicable.
    3. Unnecessarily private messaging a member of MapleRoyals Staff, or alternatively messaging members of MapleRoyals Staff in situations that do not warrant it - I have never PM any GM before.
    4. Posting unhelpful, off-topic, detrimental or otherwise useless replies to a thread - I think my deleted post can substantiate itself.
    5. Posting in a thread with the intent of replacing the thread's purpose with one's own (hijacking) - Not applicable as i was clarifying the rules given the inconsistencies faced .
    6. Posting rude, offensive, hurtful or otherwise negative comments in a thread - The only rude thing in my message was giving an example of something similiar bunnymon/adrian posted. If the example give was overboard and considered as rude, i would expect the same outcome given to bunnymon/adrian to be significantly worse.
    7. Bumping one's own thread more frequently than once per every server day (UTC) - Not applicable.
    8. Inappropriate necroposting that may result in confusion or misinformation to the public - Post was directed and clearcut.
    9. Unacceptably large, bright, strobing or otherwise obnoxious signature content - Not applicable.
    10. Failure to comply with specific subforum rules as outlined in their own locations - A keen eyed individual would have seen that in my post, i have not pointed out the following attributable points that could relate to a WP based on the points Heidi mentioned. Which are "issue WP" or "delete post" or "asking GM who should or should not be black listable in the community blacklist". As shown by Heidi's (sry unable to quote here) message of "Action is only taken when the post violates our T&C. If nothing happened, then it is most likely that no staff agreed that the reported post violated our T&C. At that point, it is up to you to accept it and move on, or to leave this community if you disagree strongly enough with how it is managed. We will now be issuing WP for any further posts here that are asking staff to issue WP, delete posts, or that are asking us to make decisions about who should or should not be blacklisted on this COMMUNITY blacklist."
    Ban message when attempting to log in: Not Applicable
    What GM banned you (optional): Heidi. May i request for a GM who is not an intern - as given that Heidi and Foxy also has been very vocal about Geto on community blacklist - to handle this appeal? Heidi might be the wrong fit to be the GM replying to this forum warning ban appeal. Please do not let Heidi edit things here as i do fear that Heidi might be too emotionally invested into this situation to reason out using an evidenced-based approach which renders Heidi highly likely to have a power struggle, something which i do not wish to see happen again after so many GMs abusing GM powers.

    Please see the post which i have initially posted:

    Thanks for replying so late into the night (directed towards Heidi) , as much as i agree on you on the issues you have raised, clearly the tolerance for factual untruths and misrepresentation is allowed on the forums as i have shown, beyond any reasonable doubt with evidence, that adrian/bunnymon has issued a statement which was clearly malicious with zero evidence in which i have rebutted fully. This would be rather concerning given the language of the forums rules and regulation clearly states that ".. provoking other players with negative content in the nature of beginning a destructive argument", and since the issuance of a statement made in a lie could be clearly considered as such, i would have to the call into question the legitimacy in how staff operate in this regard. If a reasonable person can be considered to be breaking that line by simply saying that - for example - "oh, im pretty sure Heidi's guild is full of liars and a bunch of misfits childish infants who think they have a moral high ground", i dont see how adrian/bunnymon indicating that people in another guild which he dislikes have, and i quote, bunnymon said:

    ↑ Zero accountability from you and your guild. From the day I met the Ohms guild to today, I have yet to hear/see/read a single apology coming from you all. Ever. Not for Geto's misogynistic support, not for Terravore's constant shit-stirring, racist comments from your members, or any other bad behavior your guild refuses to take ownership of and admit fault in. Instead, you want everyone to apologize to you. The amount of gaslighting and hypocrisy here is wild and you can't see it. Just look at the behavior here. You're showing "support" for Zonith even though he's clearly crossed the line... and why? Because the person he attacked was @YumeSatsujin, who is an Ours member and also someone Terravore confided in when he was engaging in his negative behavior. (Joining other discords to snoop, screenshotting things, sending it out of context to other so they would get upset and start drama, shit talking others on VC when they weren't present). You don't look at facts, you just care about who's an "enemy" your guild or not. Childish. Even now, your group has made a mockery of this thread with spam to fill up the pages and make it look less credible. You all care more about public perception than actually being good members of the community. Take a good look Royals Community. Just look and people tend to reveal who they truly are. Click to expand... ,

    no accountability (proven incorrect beyond a reasonable doubt), not a single apology (proven incorrect beyond a reasonable doubt), any other bad behavior your guild refuses to take ownership of and admit fault in (proven incorrect beyond a reasonable doubt). It does raises eyebrows as to where this line of "provoking other players leading to a destructive argument" would be then made to be used. Could this mean the forums T&C have been ridiculed since Dave have taken a 3months break? Please do let me know if you also intend to change the forums T&C so that i may apply these rules according to your new directive. Also, I highly doubt a community blacklist have immunity to the forums T&C, so no point highlighting that in FULL CAPS given that what adrian/bunnymon has said is completely false. You may wish to check in with Foxy, another GM whom joined at the same time as you, the alliance head and your guild leader, who invited (C)haos, and she will ascertain certain facts of his arrival and departure and if my statements were made in malice and ill-intend, or simply facts and truth. upload_2025-1-26_13-30-40.png

    @Shiratsuyu, thanks for clarifying your definition of what is reportable in this blacklist, after like 3 - from maybe can due to foxy's post to yes based on stephen's tuesday post to no - changes in 2 weeks. However, even by your modified standards, shouldn't my original post about Adrian/bunnymon be accepted as well? Reasons are as follows:
    1) A member of public was contacted by adrian/bunnymon for a sale of a cape in which, after being called lowballing by adrian/bunnymon, he went on a striking spree which could be considered as toxic. The member of public, which he did not know at the time of throwing insults, was actually a member of an alliance. Given the circumstance that he did not know it was an alliance member, shouldn't this still be considered?
    2) As per the 2nd point in my post on friday, this covers alliance issues, which is also covered as a reportable offense based on the wording of your statement.

    Shiratsuyu said: ↑ Toxicity is unprovoked behaviour that would reasonably annoy or offend most people. This can for example be using derogatory terms, interrupting leech by sacking buyers, and other things that are deemed as extremely annoying to most players. Please let me know if you are making more any more changes after this post, otherwise, do consider adding adrian/bunnymon into the list of toxicity and harassment. I find it hard to believe that what he did on the 1st and 2nd point cannot be considered as an unprovoked behavior (ie. going into the fm room that person is in to say shit to them, or just talking shit about people in the alliance chat due to past grievances). In Singapore, this would be more than applicable throughout the 60 years of independence we are in. Majulah Singapura.

    Do let me know if you require additional supporting documents to back up the claim, and not just say

    Shiratsuyu said: ↑ I don't care either. It's still personal drama between people that shouldn't concern the whole community.

    Last i check, issues arises only from personal drama between 2 or more people. It can be regarded as highly dismissive given the lengths one has to go through to provide an evidence-based reporting which you have explicitly demanded for.
     
  2. Heidi
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    Heidi GM

    I have no intention, nor desire to edit your appeal. To claim that any staff member would edit somebody's appeal for the reasons you have suggested is completely absurd. To clarify, your post in the community blacklist was deleted for not complying with the new rules that the thread owner of the blacklist had posted. You have been told already that this is a personal drama. Shira, as the thread owner, has decided that personal and guild dramas are no longer allowed on that thread, and you have acknowledged that you have seen this announcement. Failing to follow the thread rules is disruptive and unfair on other users of this forum, hence the 5 WP you got.

    If and when one of the GMs (non intern) has time to further respond to this, they will. I will let them know that you have requested one of them respond to you.
     
  3. McPew
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    Strange, it seems that you have been quite consistent in seeing information that you wish to view only, for example, how in that quote you mention, i also did mention for you and specifically you, not to handle this appeal. Yet for someone who has no intention nor desire, still felt the urging need to reply.

    Additionally, you may also wish to view the post in its entirety before jumping to conclusions as i have also seen you liking . You mentioned personal issues and guild drama. Strange again, because you still somehow fail to recognise that my points stated it was neither personal (i do not have a grudge against bunny, just being a duly community member to point out instances in which events of bunnymon handled public issues with members of public) and also an alliance issue - which by your wording, does not constitute as a guild drama. I have even laid it out as simply as possible using pointers for Shira where i addressed both points which i will reiterate once more for your sake.
    1. Point 1 laid out in my post shows bunnymon interacting with a member of public whom he does not know was in the same alliance, leading up to his unduly outburst.
    2. Point 2 laid out in my post shows bunnymon yet again interacting with a member of the alliance, clearly distinct to a guild member, and responding in another unduly outburst.
    I understand that you are emotionally invested given that this whole ordeal which was clarified by me on 2 different occasions, started from Fox posting a screenshot from within a private guild, in which you are directly involved as seen in #4769 and #4773 of the community blacklist in which your reply was

    "You've made this claim a lot of times about Foxy (and me). In the absence of evidence, this is unfair. You have been reminded several times now that if you have any concerns about us in our role as staff members (which, based on everything else you've said about us, sounds to be what your concerns are actually regarding), then you are to DM Matt and/or Tim with evidence to support your claims, or to make an abuse report if you'd like to share your concerns with us as well. Matt and Tim absolutely will take such complaints of staff abuse seriously.

    Simply stating repeatedly (both here and to your guildies) that you have stuff against us, but won't share it for reasons X, Y, Z, is a form of harassment. You will not suffer negative consequences as a player for making genuine staff abuse reports."

    and #4773 "

    Tect said: Hi, may i know why expressing that i dislike someone in private would be harrassment?
    Heidi's reply: If I go to my guildies and say "Hi guys, Tect is a liar but I am too nice to expose him", then that would be me harassing you.

    To be clear, I don't think that about you at all. I've never had any problem with you."
    -- -- --

    You thereby acknowledge that harassment equates to not showing evidence in light of certain negative comments made, and vice versa, should also mean that if someone were to make a comment that was deemed untrue, would also constitute as harrasment (as seen by bunnymon/adrian's post #4874. You also acklowledge that you will be forced to start deleting posts and handling out WP.
    As per your post on community blacklist #4732 on 10 jan 2025, you mentioned


    "Please stay on topic, and keep assumptions, allegations, accusations, and discussions of staff abuse out of this thread, or we'll be forced to start deleting posts and handing out WP.
    • This thread is the community blacklist. The current discussion is about Foxy as a player and guild leader.
    • Concerns about staff abuse of power should go in report abuse (or Matt and/or Tim's Inbox) with evidence.
    "


    But as far as the community can see, be enlarge, you have been very inconsistent in this behavior, which leads me to the tagging of this post as "power abuse by GM", merely handling out RP with people who disagree with your stance even when confronted with substantial evidence as i have. So just to reiterate, you, Heidi, are doing a highly questionable job at best so far, i would like another GM who is not an intern (not cuz i hate interns but because both foxy and you are emotionally involved) in deciding what's good for the community.

    If you dont want alliance posts as well, feel free to add it in as a regulation and not just delete the post as you see fit. Dont be that kind of person.

     
  4. Becca
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    Becca GM

    You don't appear to be banned in-game, or on the forum, so why are you writing a ban appeal?
    Looks to me like you just want to air your grievances here which is not acceptable for one, because this is the wrong subforum to do that. Use the report function.

    Secondly, I don't know how many times other Staff members have said "if you have any issues with anybody whether it be someone else in the community or a staff, report them to the Admin (for Staff members), or report them via Report Abuse" and yet somehow, some people (including you) are still publicly attacking certain players, and Staff members, and are still posting it publicly instead of reporting it like we have said numerous times.

    If you have a problem with somebody's post, report it.

    Thirdly, your post got removed because you are targeting people specifically, and crossing the line highlighted in the Forum TnC.

    You were given a warning and it was given appropriately.
     

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