So called Jump "glitch" while opening a store

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  1. EchoDBandit
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    Hi to all royals GMs,

    No idea how am I suppose start, so here goes.

    Firstly, not everyone who opens a store that way is bad but of course there are scumbags around who overlaps others store...
    GMs would call that a "glitch" but I would say that is not a glitch and the right word to use is "technique." There are people out there who just love to open their store in the middle so others can't open their store and they would keep the whole spot to themselves. And of course there are those scumbags using the jump "technique" for the wrong reason stealing other spots (Yes i might get angry if i am the one who face that because is my spot but eventually i would just move on and find another spot and learn from the mistake i have done opening on a spot that someone who can just jump and open the store above me, is part of the game since 10years back everyone wants a good spot but if you cant open it right and got stolen you can get angry with that because i would say is our own mistake.)

    Let me clarify this.
    First look at this (KingFog) could have move a little to the left and that spot would have 2 store instead of 1. But no, he just got to open it in the middle to make it one.
    http://royals.ms/forum/threads/why-am-i-forced-to-glitch-in-order-to-keep-my-fm-spot.25846/

    Okay. Now take a look what (@Nostaigia post) you could see my store at the corner (EchoBABY) I did not block or overlap his stall he could still open the store at the same spot just move a little bit to the left and we got 2 store in 1 spot.
    http://royals.ms/forum/threads/why-...r-to-keep-my-fm-spot.25846/page-2#post-149326

    Now look at this (@Jen post) he could have actually done this straight. If he have done that there is no way someone could use the Jump Technique to open a store. So if you are gonna ban who use Jump "Glitch" I suggest to you to ban the root of the problem which is those guys out there open store in the middle.
    http://royals.ms/forum/threads/ban-appeal.26020/

    And i will say this again with me opening at the corner he still can open his store without even jump all he needs to do is move a little to the left.

    Secondly, we have to work i got no time to keep track of the server resets or keeping track when did the store open. We all knows that Royals have the tendency to resets the server anytime of the day. I believe you guys are working adults too and we all know we can't 24hrs keep track of Royals. So, what I usually do is once I login there is a tight spot like what you have seen I would usually use the Jump "Technique" to open the store. If I don't do, that there is no way I could open a store because 1-22 fm is always full and I have taken a rest from royal for 1yr and I kept voting so now I still have 700 gacha tickets. Can you just imagine 700 gacha tix and you got no spot to open a store how the heck would I play in that case? I got no slots for pots or to loot stuffs.

    I am writing this not for you to unban. I will still accept the ban because I respect you GMs for making the game so great and enjoyable but this case is really getting a little out of hand. So if you are banning us for using the Jump Technique I would suggest ban the Root of the problem (people who purposely open the spot just for themselves when other players could open another spot and because of them others got to find a lousy spot) the selfishness is too much.

    P.S. Sorry for any spelling mistake or grammars mistake.

    Sinceriously,
    EchoBABY
     
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    You don't have any choice.
    It has been suggested to have "parking lots" where you need to place store within marked space.
     
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    You can call it whatever you want, but the fact is you bypassed a built-in game restriction by exploiting a bug. The game does not want you to open a shop in a space smaller than the width of a shop. It tells you, "You can't open a shop here".

    You then exploited a bug by jumping up and down hundreds of times and spam clicking like a madman. It even LOOKS like you're trying to force a glitch.

    You should be aware of this: a lot of players got pissed off by glitchers like you. Many of us have been begging the staff to stop people from jump glitching. Why? When you glitch open a shop right next to my shop, I will lose my spot. I won't be able to reopen my shop because now I don't have enough space. So now I have to jump glitch also. But what if I don't know about the glitch? Then I'm f**ked.

    Basically you're stealing a spot from someone else when you jump glitch. So yeah, that makes you an asshole.
     
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    You can always put your shop in channel 2. People did that in GMS.

    Also lets just be grateful that we have cheap shops that everybody can afford. In GMS, you had to pick between a 3 month shop permit that required you to have your character in FM at the shop or an expensive mushroom shop which expired after a few days.

    Perhaps a good NX sink could be to go back to the GMS shop system!
     
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    @House M.D. Did you even take a look at the 3 link picture? :) before even barking to me.
     
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    So you are saying "if i dont jump glitch i cant set up my store anywhere". Yaaaa no. Doesnt matter "if there is room if they move over". They have that spot. If their spot takes up the room of 4 spots by being near the portal, then so be it. They got it. It is their spot. If you arent around to get an FM spot that is your own fault. If you can log in ONE time per day you can get a spot in 1-22. If not, try again tomorrow. I personally dont bother to set up my spot unless i get to use FM1-3 or good door spots.

    Stop being lazy. Most of us have jobs. Unless you are working 23 hours a day you have more than enough time to get a spot.
     
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    I'm looking at it now.

    In this case it looks like Kingfrog might have enough room, just barely.

    That's not the point though. It would be impractical for GMs to take out a ruler and measure exactly how much empty space there is, and see if the glitcher's neighbor can reopen his shop or not, and then ban or not depending on the measurement.

    Analogy would be a policeman arresting a shoplifter at a supermarket. Say the shoplifter stole a bread that is about to expire today. He says,

    "The bread was worthless because the supermarket was going to throw it in the garbage. The law even says they have to throw it out on expiration day. Therefore nobody was hurt, bread was going to waste!"

    He has a valid point. However from the policeman's point of view, he doesn't have the time or patience to check the expiration date on things that people steal. He broke the law by stealing something that didn't belong to him, so the policeman is going to arrest him. Plain and simple.
     
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    @House M.D. Is not steal if he still have his spot, he just got to move a little to the left. Is like taking a packed train to work... are you gonna squeeze in to get to work or wait till the peak hour is done and be late for work?

    @Nostaigia Tell me that if you have full bags of stuff + 700 Gacha Tix. And define "stop being lazy" please? i believe of sharing i always try my best to let others to set up stall even if i have Ch1 Rm 1 door spot because everyone came here to play and have fun therefore even if i can steal i don't steal i rather find a spot to squeeze instead of stealing. There are 2 kinds of players out there 1. selfish 2. making friends and letting others have fun too.

    @Egonics That suggestion is great.

    @Tentomon yea maybe i should just go ch2 and set a store there or maybe GM should make the store that way like you said i wouldn't mind.

    A year back the community of royals everyone is friendly and think for other players is like a family, well maybe not all but most. Look at this now... everyone just care for themselves. That is why all the old timer quits.
     
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    I like that idea of parking lots, more shops could fill a single fm map. It solves the issue of taking more than one spot.
     
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    Stopped reading here.. there was a server where I could invite myself to party 5 times. But it's not a glitch right? It's just a "technique" to get more exp.
     
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    come on talk some sense here... invite yourself to party 5 times? does that work on GMS or Maplesea? Well, Jump Opening a Store works since 10years back. Before you want to type something think before you type... the real server script does not let one invite himself to party 5 times. Your argument is totally invalid and learn to read...
     
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    Is not a glitch because even using jump and open need enough space even is 1mm less they wouldn't let you. And if you said is a "ABUSE" in GMS or MSEA why there's no people getting ban for that? or even reported?

    And definition of Technique: Doing something in a skillful way.
     
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    use your gacha tickets you lazy bum wow stop making excuses
     
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    I don't think jumping up and down and spamming click constitutes as being skillful.
     
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    I'm interested to know how people would feel about us using the GMS shop system as described here by Tentomon.

    PS - Technique? No, it's a glitch. It's exploiting a design error.
     
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    Personally for me, taking up 2 spaces in fm or abusing glitch to jam your shop on top of others is the same as people taking up 2 spaces on the bus. I absolutely despise it and feel that whoever is doing that have zero public decency whatsoever.
    It is good that you did not feel the need to take advantage of the glitch at the cost of others. I can understand how sometimes its frustrating to be unable to do anything when you see someone taking up 2 spaces in FM and all you want to do is just set up shop and log off. However, a glitch is still a glitch, and from my viewpoint it's still not ok.
     
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    It would be better to have this be an option for mesos instead of NX. If it cost NX it would simply inflate the prices of white scrolls which are already high. Meso sinks are what we need, not NX sinks
     
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    I strongly disagree with you, first of all - it's not as hard as you described, finding a spot anywhere in the fm, unless you really rarely play.
    And regardless of if that is the case, I think glitching your store between 2 other players, who most likely don't know how to glitch it also, just for your own good and thus preventing them to reset their own store in the spot they earned legitimately is one of the most obscene and experating moves a player can do. Just my opinion.
     
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    I personally wouldn't mind a choice of both.
     
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    That also works actually. I definitely think it should include a meso option, though. Especially if the pet meso pouch glitch is fixed in the new source. Thatll add more mesos into the economy, so an additional meso sink might be needed
     

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