HP Washing for Dummies

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    again the formula you are talking about is only for mp washing, and what you are asking about isn't mp washing.
     
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    OHHH hold on, I think i understand it now.
    So that means i shouldn't MP wash with only 50 base INT, because that would give me 0 MP gains as a pirate.
    But other than that, HP washing should be fine right?
     
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    i wanna say you wouldnt get that much mp, as long as you do the formula for lowest mp remaining, you should still have a little extra mp growth with your 50int. i didnt do any mp washing on my bucc but definitely did +hp and then -mp to add that -mp point into my str/dex stat. 180 with 16k. not much but it was enough. i had int gear totaling to like 100 or something.
    i never did "+mp , -mp with apr and add into correct stat" so i did hp washing i guess

    hope this answers your question sorry i cant articulate it formally into forum mannerisms
     
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    MP washing should only matter for Thief, Archer/Sair & Mage because Thief & Archer/Sair usually need more MP to wash so in order to achieve goals Thief & Archer with high HP goal would also invest in a higher base int ranging from 250-500, Mage also can MP wash because their natural high int as it's their Primary Attribute.

    In order to MP wash efficiently you gotta have at least more than 250 base int, anything lower is just irrelevant due to inefficiency. Warrior and Bucc don't really need to MP wash because with around 50 base int and 100 int from gears alone would land you 20k+ Hp at 1xx for warror, for Bucc maybe 150-200 base int should be the sweet spot, in short just wash normally when you're a Bucc.
     
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    Got it. Thank you all for the replies, really helped clear things out for me [:3]
     
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    I've been meaning to assemble the numbers together for a while, in one consolidated place, accurate-as-possible. It was meant to be an appendix to the washing articles, cause finding the individual numbers, and accurate numbers, is a huge headache. I find when I go back and read the article it makes a lot more sense, and thanks to Sylafia's foresight, it works wonderfully together combined within this article. I'm also happy that as many people as possible will see it, seeing as this is the main article referred to in Royals for explaining washing.

    The sources were royals forum posts and what they would imply, notably/a lot of Gossamer's stuff, another i/l main; the washing calculator; and chats with random folks in discord like iamveryjelly; and the discord bot image. I believe that the charts are all as accurate as possible, and if anyone has any conflicting info, I would be glad to update the chart and ping Sylafia with the new chart. The floor chart was the trickiest, because this had the least info and the most amount of conflicting info. But it does what it sets out to do. The huge blank space could possibly be later updated with the Reuel's infinite quest chart.

    Also thanks to a Discord user who asked about this, and Sylafia again for helping out with the data on the chart. The pretty colors on the chart I originally found from Gossamer's charts.
     
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    Hi, I would like to seek some guidance regarding my Bucc here.

    May I know what it means "All AP into MP after leveling up, then use 5 AP Resets to -MP +int before leveling up again"?

    Does it means after I lvl up, I add all AP into MP first, then use 5 APR to -MP +INT? This consider MP Wash?
    I'm worry I need to continue to do this as I lvl up, make my base INT more than 97 and then I need to spend more APR to reset INT back to either STR or DEX?

    I feel like I'm in a dilemma currently, my character feel weak due to HP Wash, HP Wash require mesos, my atk need to be high so it feel easier to gain mesos. I felt so demotivated when I saw that I need about 4.9B to HP Wash...

    Should I continue to stay persistent through this? Am I in the right direction?
     

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    That line looks like a calculator bug, seeing as you're already at your target int, so why would you use an APR to +int? It's also lv100-100 but you have separate instructions for lv100 later on.

    But yes that line is essentially telling you to mp wash and then add the AP to int when removing it, and only shows up when you have a very high HP goal compared to your base int, forcing you to MP wash before you've reached your base int target.

    Have you considered reducing your HP goal to make wash cheaper, and then HP questing a bit more? The guide is telling you to do a LOT of mp washing so being able to skip that would save quite a bit of meso.
     
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    Thx a lot Sylafia!

    You're right, I should take HP quests into my consideration.
    I'm estimating HQ quest can help me to add on around 5,500 HP, not sure are my estimation correct from below, please correct me if I'm wrong

    1. An Adventurer’s Assignment (3.000 HP)
    2. Water from the Spring of Youth (500 HP)
    3. Search for the Elixir of Life (2,000 HP), maybe I'm wrong with this estimation?

    Ilower down my HP goal from 19,500 > 14,000. The mesos required for APR down from 4.9B > 1.5B.
    Can I also assume it is safe to say that during my progress till around lvl 145 ~ 155 onward, I can start join party and do some boss hunt with adequate HP?
     

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    Elixir of life quest is 1k/month, so that's 2 months grinding it for 2k HP. Although there's also HP gear that you'll have which will further reduce requirements...

    Bossing thresholds are 12k for shao (lv 145), which you should definitely make in time (or, worst case, you should have enough mp to just use a few more APRs to -mp +HP) and then 17.5k at lv 175 for auf/VL, which will definitely be a bit harder to make but potentially doable.
     
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    Hi, just checking if for thives, add fresh ap into hp and reset mp to luk, will my mp be very low?
     
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    if you take out mp, you mp would be low(er),
    there is a minimum amount of mp you can't go below, so it would be that or higher depending on how many times you do it.
     
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    min MP is enough for NL? or do you need to have more than min MP
     
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    Did you read the entire guide?
    if you did, try to read it again because I dont think you understand how hp washing work -.-'
     
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    yeap i dont understand how hp washing work thats why i am here asking question, instead of me reading the guide again, how about you reading my question again. i just wonder for normal job they pump base int to have higher mana pool and apr to hp and taking out from mana as they have higher mana pool. but for NL, the guide is saying to pump fresh AP into hp and -mp back to luk, so i am just wondering if i pump fresh Ap into hp and -mp back to luk, just by leveling to gain mp, will i have enough mp to wash, and you mentioned that there is a minMP, when you reach the minMP then u are unable to take out point from mp even if you added into HPMP, that point of time is the minMP enough for a NL?
     
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    If you really want me to answer your question, then the answer is no. It's not enough.
    I said you should read the guide again because the question you asked show that you didn't understand the basics about washing, it's ok if you didn't understand every single detail and you need to ask a specific question, but you need to read the guide first to understand how it works in general, that's what the guide is for, no one will re-write the guide in the form of comments.
    Anyway, I'm not going to continue with this conversation as it would lead nowhere
     

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