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I mean I get it. The popcorn gif is funny, original and funny. It adds so much to the conversation

 

IGN:Livvi
Reason : loot steal in boss
Details :i alwaays doing nt bossing solo, but usually i ssend mega for recruit nibergen kill for olaf.(free no take fee)
he pm me and i help him.
he take all loot. its dry niber just drops 1k + etc. but he use fj super fast and loot all.
actually its not a big deal, he just steal 1k and silver coins cuz frag not drop. if frag drops, he must steal my frag.
but he didnt say any words even apologize.

 

I bet you were Livvi....d when you saw that...
I'm sorry, you do a great service don't let one jerk interfere.

 

Loot stealing it not something we put on the blacklist anymore. The screenshot also doesn't show any agreements, so we can't really be sure if Livvi was supposed to take the NX card or not.

 

Hello, how are you? Livvi here. Mind if I see that SS for Olaf? Im lvl 153 and in between Olaf quests atm not high enough for the next. I responded to your smega last night cause you were looking for Niber party. I believe my words were "I need a Niber kill, ill come help". You asked my job/lvl so on and forth. I met your team at the desired ch, I took pet loot off as any honest person would do, and no agreement was made. We went in, started, one player did nothing aside buff, understandable, one player died on last body, regrettable, 3 attackers one being me. I was in the middle plat, You cant FJ to loot or else you'll get TP'd to top of map. Honestly, aside from the kill, yes i needed coins. In which I only received 8. The NX was an unforunate accident because it piled up in the corner and I didnt even know it was there. You can see the pile in your SS on top of your penguin by the edge. Do you want to explain to the community what else dropped from Niber that was not picked up? Or the fact we had plans to do Dunas V2 after? Apologize? Absolutely, if I knew there was a problem. You sent question marks. See the SS. I was waiting to start V2. I received 1.6mil in silver coins and 1000nx card (by mistake). There was more than that on the ground. Were you trying to make me receive nothing? An attacker helping you? Anyways, you are upset cause your teammate died on the last body, and upset cause Niber dropped nothing. Trust me, it upset me too. But what you say doesnt make any sense, cause if i really did loot steal why am I still in the SS picture chilling? Why did I ruin our plans and any chance of getting into V2 by doing that? You made plans with me, and booted me from the team. You guys got more money from it than I did. This is ridiculous.

 

After speaking with Livvi, there might be some misunderstanding that happened. Maybe you guys thought she needed help for Olaf, and that's why you recruited her; if thats the case it was not clarified, since she was under the assumption that she was an attacker for the party. With there being no screenshots of any sort of agreement, or when the party was formed, I can't say for sure; but having known Livvi for a while now, I am pretty confident she wouldn't do anything with malicious intent.

It also seems like there was another misunderstanding, as Livvi was not aware that she did anything wrong, as "???" doesn't say much, so that is why there was no apology. She was also confused to why she was removed from the party before Dunas 2.

So to me, what could be handled better for both sides.
For the party leaders/recruiters: clarify what drops are for who, don't start till there's an agreement. This allows everyone time to get their screenshots.

For Livvi: Ask if you can take the coins, before assuming.

I think communication could have been better on both sides; but with no agreement made, I don't see anything blacklist worthy with what Livvi did.

As (W)umbo's guild master, if you want to speak to me IGN: AlfaHero352, usually online 06:00-18:00 Server Time.

 

I just recruit someone to help with the quest. so i send smega "R>anyone need nibergen, v2 kill for olaf." i dont need any help for tokyo bosses soloing. if i need help, i would have stated it.
and he attack? lv 153 nl without SE? would that be realistically helpful? TT 1 line 5~6k dmg? i dont think so.
as i described in text, it was nothing special if he just said sorry or any reaction.

 

in my time playing Royals I've helped 100+ people with verga, tokyo pq, v1, nmm /nibergen/v2 kills for tokyo preq ,Olaf . but I've never come across someone as shameless as you. You used flash jump to get to the nx before it even touched the ground. My smega specifically said "R> anyone need nibergen/v2 kill for Olaf" & for you to think of yourself as an attacker deserving of nx is as you say "ridiculous". If I needed "help" attacking, I could have just brought my mules. A simple "My bad" would have sufficed, but maybe I'm expecting too much from a player who would take my kindess and use it against me for their benefit. In the future maybe think about your actions before you make anyone else Livid.
and i just suicide 200lv bucc for a little more exp b4 kill Phase 3. at 0.5% hp left. can u say that i die by mistake??
and if u need v2, u should said something to me.whether it was an apology or an excuse. u didnt say any words in 2~3mins.
and now u're saying this? i didnt attack & i die in bossing ??
more drop item in ground << onyl pe and elixir lol

 

Hello, I am chobap who was party member in that squad. I don't understand what you are talking about.

1. If there is no agreement about looting between party member, waiting and asking about looting is general attitude.

2. Also you are claiming you are an 'attacker' and same reward as party member. With no SE mule, no attack pot used, with 3-6k TT damage each, just pressing one button, I am so funny that claiming same loot who brings 2mule and used appo.

3. And you are saying this happened 'by accident'. I could understand if you loot carefully, but you immediately jump into loot when boss mob died, way faster than captain guy who was closer than you. Then press Z key all through looting items. How can I understand this situation is accident as third person? Lol


As I am the 3rd person, I dont want to talk about this situation, Livvi, I think you should shame on yourself, and don't manipulate situation with your imagination.

 

I appreciate you willing to help others with Olaf, that's very nice of you. For the future, I suggest confirming and clarifying with all PT members that they should not pick up the drops.
I suggest getting a "yes/understand" reply before starting a run.

As said before, there was misunderstanding on both sides, and she was not aware that she in the party for Olaf. Yes realistically she doesn't do much DMG;but from her point of view she was recruited to help.
So again, she was not aware she did anything, hence there being no reaction, especially if the only hint of people not being happy is "???"


That being said, I don't think this forum was the best way to go about this situation, as we'd be more than happy to talk with you about it in private. I believe if you guy's had talked to her instead of removing from PT before Dunas 2, she would understand and apologize, even if she didn't really do anything wrong. But more than likely you'd have gotten at least a "sorry, my bad I didn't know this was just for Olaf"

 

I can already see how that smega could be misinterpreted as you need help with Olaf. Livvi did not need kill for Olaf, she joined under the assumption she was an attacker. Wether or not she could truly be considered an attacker, is a different story. That is why I suggest clarification and confirmation before a run.

To clarify, the accident is not looting, it's looting the 1k NX that was in the pile of coin.

Again I'm sure if she got more than "???" She would understand and say "my bad"

 

its not that i didnt get an apology cuz i kicked her. i was kicked cuz she didnt apologize to me. even any words.
It's only natural that she should have taken care of it herself before I asked for an apology.
u said To clarify, the accident is not looting, it's looting the 1k NX that was in the pile of coin. << then she loot 1k by accident, sha can just sad "sry"
"SRY" Is it difficult to type 3 letters in the chat, so you wrote such a long message?
i understand u shield her cuz ur guild member, but do io in moderatin.[/QUOTE]

 

Well, if you want to see what you only want to see, I will stop reply after this.

And I hope you to try to reply after read my thread correctly.

In 3rd paragraph, I said 'jump into loot then press Z key all through loot item'.

Is this appropriate action who was trying to loot only coin from the pile of other items?

And if there was not 1k nx, untradable and valuable item dropped with pile of coin, I am curious you would say same as you said.

 

You keep bringing up "the lack of communication" from Kimyunsoo, but the smega was "R> anyone need nibergen/v2 kill for Olaf" and NOT "R> attacker for nibergen/v2". That seems clear as day to me. Personally, if i was a lower lvl than the party leader.. I wouldn't even think about taking the nx.

I understand as her guild master you want to help her out in a sticky situation, but maybe refrain from using phrases like "even if she didn't really do anything wrong" if you want to help defuse the situation.

As Chobap mentioned above she should have waited and clarified the looting situation instead of dashing to the nx and taking it the first chance she got.

Seeing as this is Kimyunsoo's first Community Blacklist post compared to the 100+ times he helped people with Olaf quests speaks volumes in saying that he's never had an issue with people doing this before.

Maybe Livvi should just apologize & everyone can move on from this ordeal.

 

Perfect, no need to talk about it then. Both the party leader and yourself just confirmed what I just said. First, Olaf wasnt even mentioned and I stated nothing of the sort. I said I was there to help. Second, I hit harder than that. You hurt my feelings with talk like that lol. You have no idea what pots I used how can you claim such a thing? Third, if the team mate dying was intentional than perfect no harm no foul. Finally, I did not FJ to the loot as you cant do that but yes ultimately the picking up of the 1000NX card as an accident. Would you like to be paid for it? You captain is correct with the loot drops, 2 stacks of each Elixirs, and Power Elixirs. Now I dont know how much was there cause I didnt pick them up but is it safe to assume probably about 100 of each total? maybe more? I'll let you do the math. However with that being said I agree with everything else you said about bossing etiquette and I am well aware of how it works. You can see my pet not picking up items in your SS as I took pet loot off. I am prepared to reimburse the party for the 1000NX card if that is what you desire. I dont believe this justifies a community post trying to get me blacklisted and sullying my name/my guild when I believe the blame is equally shared with yourselves. You kicked me out of the party when we had already established plans. The team walked away with more profits from Niber than I did and I will happily give them back to stop this nonsense. Yes, as an attacker, doing 1/3rd of the work (maybe more), and I wrong to assume that I am not entitled to some spoils?

 

The fact there is a community blacklist post for 1k nx on a boss split where nothing was clarified before hand is a complete joke in itself! and is something that should have been handled in game in private, and anyone defending it, like WAYYY worse things don't happen every single day in this game is a literal joke. I heard there's grass outside that needs touching.

 

Just saw Livvi's new post above.
My thoughts: decide what reimbursement you want and we can all move on.

As she said and as I've said, if she didn't know she did something wrong; how would she know to apologize. I'm saying if she had known, she most definitely would have apologized. A simple "why u pick up loot" she would have known and a proper conversation could have been had. Instead she finds out through me that her name is being attacked on this forum.

Yeah true, I'm trying to be as impartial as possible; but knowing Livvi for this long I know she isn't a bad person as described.

Also in my original response, I had said Livvi should have waited, and asked.

The smega may be clear to you; but when I first read that, I also thought he was asking for help.

What I am trying to convey here, is that Livvi is not a malicious person. It was a misunderstanding and honest mistake.

The opposing party seems to not believe.

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I understand what it looks like, not saying sorry; but I will just say was unaware of any wrongdoing. So much so that, she only found out about this, through me.
And please understand, that if we all had talked in the game , I know for sure she would have apologized. But when it seems like she is being attacked on this public forum, things can get heated fast.
I understand where she could have done better, which is why in my suggestions on my original reply I said she should wait and ask to loot.

I too can say you guys are only seeing what you want to see. I have said my thoughts on what Livvi could have done better.

To answer the last part, If there was an untradeable or valueable drop. I would still go out of my way to understand the situation.
Given there is no context or evidence/screenshots/recordings; I'm using my own judge of Livvi's character and history to determine that it was an honest mistake.
I am always open to change my perspective if given evidence.

 

I understand what it looks like, not saying sorry; but I will just say was unaware of any wrongdoing. So much so that, she only found out about this, through me.
And please understand, that if we all had talked in the game , I know for sure she would have apologized. But when it seems like she is being attacked on this public forum, things can get heated fast.
I understand where she could have done better, which is why in my suggestions on my original reply I said she should wait and ask to loot.






I too can say you guys are only seeing what you want to see. I have said my thoughts on what Livvi could have done better.

To answer the last part, If there was an untradeable or valueable drop. I would still go out of my way to understand the situation.
Given there is no context or evidence/screenshots/recordings; I'm using my own judge of Livvi's character and history to determine that it was an honest mistake.
I am always open to change my perspective if given evidence.[/QUOTE]



Lol, this is so funny.

I am describing this situation as 3rd person, but you are asking for context/evidence/screenshot for prove my word.

In the same logic, then why should I believe your word that Livvi didn't do that thing with malicious intent?

Whatever good lesson for me, I learned that I should keep pressing screen shot button when boss mob died. XD