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    nope that's illegal macro
     
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    Only when one action registers multiple outputs will there be a violation of the T&C

    You're welcome
     
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    Thanks for reply to my weird question.
    I've understood that the game rules apply even if no action occurs within the game client.
    ofc , that's one way to think about activating a window is the game action.
     
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    That is definitely a weird case. Would be interesting to hear what the staff have to say about it, as it is not technically within the game...
     
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    But you are attempting this specific action to quickly switch between clients right?

    That would be affecting the game itself
     
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    I understand it could affect the game. However, I felt the potential for it to become a useful tip or method to operate multi clients, if allowed.
    For example, using 'ResizeEnable' to change the client size is legal despite affecting the game playing when we operate multi clients. I understand there may be low possibilities, but I just would like to clarify it.
     
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    Will discuss with the Staff team about this

    As of now, I can confirm the following method (3rd party software) is acceptable
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/is-the-taskbar-treaker-legit.226667/

    Changing of client size (regardless of 3rd party software or the default windows scaling) is acceptable cause it only affects the display and not the inputs
     
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    We have double checked with an Admin.
    You are fine to bind multiple keys to one key as long as this one key will only perform one in-game action per button press. We do not classify the windows function „cycle through clients“ as an in-game action. That being said you can bind Alt+ESC to a button and use it to attack and cycle through your apps. Be aware it will cycle through any task. Binding two buttons to one key where both perform an in-game action is not allowed.
    Examples for what’s not allowed are in Tim’s post you linked.
     
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    Does this thread imply that it is permissible to use an external program (such as keyboard software like logitech or corsair ~ etc) to map a macro to a single Ctrl key that triggers 'Alt + Sec,' while simultaneously having an in-game attack macro assigned to the same Ctrl key in MapleStory, and then simply holding that key down?"
     
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    I believe with the current rules, the answer is yes. In this table I've made based on my understanding of the rules, this would be a single action input that triggers a single in-game action and multiple out-of-game actions.

    Input Inside game Outside of game Allowed?
    No action No action No action, Single Action, Multiple action Allowed: game is not concerned about what happens outside as long as 1 input meets 1 in-game action. Example: automation/botting elsehwere on your computer.
    No action Single action No action, Single Action, Multiple action Not allowed: you can do whatever you want outside of the game, but 1:1 test fails. Example: botting in-game.
    No action Multiple action No action, Single Action, Multiple action Not allowed: you can do whatever you want outside of the game, but 1:1 test fails. Example: bot telecasting in-game.
    Single action No action No action, Single action, Multiple action Allowed: game is not concerned about what happens outside as long as 1 input meets 1 in-game action. Example: you're doing literally anything else on your computer outside of the game.
    Single action Single action No action Allowed: standard case.
    Single action Single action Single action, Multiple action Allowed: game is not concerned about what happens outside as long as 1 input meets 1 in-game action. Simple example: you have in-game action on ScreenLock key, and have Windows perform some out-of-game action from that key as well. Pro example: you have a program that starts a timer outside of game whenever you hit a button that you have mapped in-game to something like smoke or timeleap or echo so you can keep track of cooldown.
    Single action Multiple action No action, Single action, Multiple action Not allowed: fails 1:1 test. Example: single external key used to press teleport+genesis in-game for single key telecast.
    Multiple action No action No action, Single action, Multiple action Allowed: game is not concerned about what happens outside as long as 1 input meets 1 in-game action. Example: you're doing literally anything else on your computer outside of the game.
    Multiple action Single action No action Not allowed: not sure why you would want multiple keys to actuate a single action in-game, but this technically fails the 1:1 test. Example: idk, maybe you don't want to accidentally echo, so you have echo on a hard to reach key, and in order to activate it you require a key combination pressed to use it?
    Multiple action Single action Single action, Multiple action Allowed: as long as an in-game action has a corresponding input action. Example: using Alt for buffs or macros, and pressing Alt-Tab to switch around your game clients.
    Multiple action Multiple action No action Allowed: as long as an in-game action has a corresponding input action. Example: telecast.
    Multiple action Multiple action Single action Allowed: as long as an in-game action has a corresponding input action, which means # inputs has to equal # in-game actions + 1. Example: telecasting while pressing volume button.
    Multiple action Multiple action Multiple action Allowed: as long as an in-game action has a corresponding input action, and game is not concerned about what happens outside as long as 1 input meets 1 in-game action. Example: telecasting while pressing volume button and also pressing some macro button that opens up Spotify and starts playing your leech playlist or something idk.
     
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    impressive and convincing summary.
     
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    wow~ nice chart. how's the idea of mapping alt+sec to my attack key (Alt)? its legal too?
     
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    Yes, as I said before:

    I believe with the current rules, the answer is yes. In this table I've made based on my understanding of the rules, this would be a single action input that triggers a single in-game action and multiple out-of-game actions.
    • Input: Single action (Ctrl)
    • Inside game: Single action (Ctrl mapped to attack or attack macro)
    • Outside of game: Multiple action (Ctrl mapped to macro for Alt-Esc)
     
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    ty pro!
     

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