Remove CS/WS from Anniversary event

It's an issue I previously mentioned here -> click, but I do want to make a proper post about it to make sure it's seen.
As I said in the linked comment, farming events pose a bigger problem lately, with Anni being the biggest offender.
This event prints the most NX out of any event, a lot of valuable pyrope weapons but also CS/WS at a very high rate.
If you were to remove CS/WS, it would still either be the best or 2nd best farming event.

Last year I benefited a lot from this event, but I don't think it's healthy for a farming event to be this strong.
Time spent not farming during this event feels like a waste because it would save me so much farming time off event in comparison. The FOMO from this event is a little too much.

I would be ok with leaving the CS/WS in the drop pool if event drops from mage ults were nerfed, and the rewards mostly went to regular single client players who do dailies/area bosses, but that's not the case currently.
I know this suggestion can rub some farmers the wrong way, but I'm sure that every farmer also knows this event has no right to be this strong.

To compensate for this change, it would be nice to have tree PQ buffed again (what happened to the leaf drop rate from this event anyway? it used to give so many a few years back).

 

so far as I’ve seen, drop rate of ws/cs from the Anni box was since last Anni already greatly nerfed, and mobs killed by mage ult drop definitely less boxes.
If you think this feedback is fair, why still mention something like “compensation”?
As a previous farmer I think this event has right to be that strong. Actually not that strong as Xmas, especially when someone didn’t report to remove the 1.5x drop rate. Not having right seems to be your pretending to represent all farmers tho.

 

Maybe, Nerf Ani drop rates from mage ulti even harder since this event benefits mages farming too much.

 

The drop rate is roughly 1 per 50 boxes, that was not changed.
The drop rate of the boxes themselves was nerfed, yes, but definitely not enough.
During anniversary i made roughly 105b.
Out of that, 57 were cs/ws, 2.7m NX in addition and this was my final box number:

I did not farm the most on the server (not even 10th most from what I've seen), this is roughly from 1b npc/day.
Do you think these numbers are healthy?

Because of the regular non farmer players who lose income due to this change. If it was only farmers losing income due to this, no compensation would be needed.

I strongly disagree, and I think I explained why in details.
I also used data provided by other farmers, such as my friends who farmed side by side with me this event:

Spoiler: .

And also by seeing the numbers other farmers pulled and posted on forum like @Khanate and @tomwzhere.

I hope that clears up the confusion.

 

Thanks for your clarification and apologize for my previous reply.
I recognize the pepe farmers really earn a lot from the anni and from boxes. However:

(1) farmers at other maps only have a roughly 20% farming bonus from Anni boxes, which is even less than the rate in Xmas, and roughly same as the rate at Halloween.

(2) about healthy or not of those numbers (actually i think accuse the unhealth of numbers is really ridiculous), i think the farming so many hours per day itself, as a gameplay, is much unhealthier than anything else. I said this because i was an unhealthy player too.

(3) Since the massive mage farming is already ruled out from the recent change, i don't think it's still necesarry to nerf Anni box this year.

(4) Last year they nerfed the drop rate of boxes (sry i made a wrong, not the drop rate of ws/cs but the drop rate of boxes themselves), and buffed the Cake boss. So far i have seen, those "non farmer player" can still earn nearly 100b through the whole anni, spending nearly the same time. I don't think mage farming brings so many adventages during this event still. Nonsense to raise a war between farmers and non-farmers at Anni. at all.

(5) About the "whole economical effect" from mage farming: Let's say farmers earn 2000b in total from one anniversary (salute to tomz, khanate, Donn9e, and other pro pepe farmers), and around 5-600b from that come from Anni. box, mainly from ws/cs. And suppose we have 2000 active players in this server who vote everyday. By voting they gain nearly 60B per day, and then 2700B during the whole anni.
Set aside other incomes from daily bosses, Cake Boss, RG, and others, even though it is but definitely greater than the 2700B above.
500-600b extra incoming from hard grinding vs 2700B daily vote incomes, i don't think ws/cs from anni box would cause so terrible economical problems to this server, as like the 1.5b drop rate from the previous Xmas event.
Any economist here?

 

I strongly disagree, and I think I explained why in details.
I also used data provided by other farmers, such as my friends who farmed side by side with me this event:

Spoiler: .

Unfortunately, from what you’ve shown, I still can’t tell how much time these people actually grinded in the game. For all we know, maybe they were farming 24 hours a day.

Please provide more data, and the more detailed the better — for example, IGN, location, how long they farmed, how many mages, how many channels, etc. That would make it more convincing.
Otherwise, all of this just looks like empty talk.

 

I can't comment on most of your points because I have no data for them, but my general gut feeling is that they're wrong, that's just my opinion though.

I completely agree, but that's beside the point.
Mage farming meta is a reality in this server, unfortunate as this may be.

I'm a bit confused on why Xmas was so strong?
I farmed a similar daily amount during Xmas and I didn't earn anything significant.
I farmed roughly 11k boxes and got this:

Compare that to the NX gains and the other things I posted from before.

The community in general is worried about mage farm, read the comment I linked in my original post here, and my explanation on why events are such a big problem in my eyes and a huge contributing factor.
It's something that needs to be tackled in my opinion, and Anni event is the biggest offender.
I say that as someone who benefits from that, I don't think there's realistically any bias here.
It's just an opinion though, I understand if you disagree.

 

Did I not do that in detail here...?


As I said, I farmed 1b npc a day (6 mage pepe) and these were the numbers I got.
As for them, they farmed the same map with the same amount of mages (with the exception of one that did 8), but I cant speak for the hours, I simply don't have that data.
Do you have some contradicting data to this?
Seems like a very unneccesary personal comment tbh.

 

Xmas gives 1.2 drop rate bonus for 14x days firstly, and boxes (one box = 550k mesos, statistically) gives around 10% bonus with the 1.2x drop rate, so like 30% bonus in total for 14 days.
I mean 2 weeks are much shorter in comparison of the whole anni, but not everyone farms the whole anni as well.
(for "4 ws from 770 nx lol": pat pat. However you should obtain 6B+ from those boxes, statistially)

I read your comment at the first moment and i read nearly all content you posted in this forum and find them all respectful. I know the worries about mage farming but i think it's much exaggerated emotionally. And i think farmers should align themselves rather than ruin this gameplay at all.
Still see no meaning to treat anni as the biggest offenders since so many "chilling" players earn so much from cake boss.
All above personal opinion as well and just wanna rings another voice.

 

I just would like to end up with a quote:

"HAVING endeavoured to remove one species of ill-founded jealousy, which is so prevalent among commercial nations, it may not be amiss to mention another, which seems equally groundless. Nothing is more usual, among states which have made some advances in commerce, than to look on the progress of their neighbours with a suspicious eye, to consider all trading states as their rivals, and to suppose that it is impossible for any of them to flourish, but at their expence. In opposition to this narrow and malignant opinion, I will venture to assert, that the encrease of riches and commerce in any one nation, instead of hurting, commonly promotes the riches and commerce of all its neighbours; and that a state can scarcely carry its trade and industry very far, where all the surrounding states are buried in ignorance, sloth, and barbarism."
——David Hume, "ESSAY VI. Of the Jealousy of Trade."

 

Sorry, I may not have data to refute it,
You said you farm it yourself, but the main issue is still your own data — exactly how much time did you spend on it every day?
but likewise, you can’t really say how much time those players actually spent on it each day either. Who’s to say it wasn’t 24 hours, right?

 

Speaking from the perspective of my first months in-game during 2024's anni event I strongly disagree.
Maybe you earn a huge amount of boxes, nx, ws & cs.
However for new players, unfunded players or players without several attackers this is the most encouraging event of the year to progress and have a chance for better gears or to liquidate without the needs of selling hours of leech or farming 18 hours a day.

Back then I barely had 1 attacker it was a weak lvl 14-15x hero that could barely clear Chao, Ephenia & pap as solo content or participate at krex, zak parties to gain some boxes, the few ws/cs that I earned back then were the ones that gave me the needed boost from being a newbie with trash gear and start gearing up even as a busy full time job student that doesn't have the time to invest on hours of leech/massive famring.
You earn too much? good for you, that's not a reason to avoid one of the best yearly events from new players or ones with a busy schedule.

 

I can't really help you with this if my own data is not an indication, sorry.
If other players want to post their rates from last anniversary event and contribute to this discussion they can feel free to, I can't do it for them.
What is exactly the point of this?

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, if you had some contradicting data that would suggest I'm wrong in saying this event is stronger than it should be I would understand.
What reason do you think I have to try and twist my event rates? I'm one of the main benefiting players from this event after all.
I just think making farming events less powerful is a discussion that needs to be had, starting with the strongest one.

 

I understand this perspective, which is why I said:
"I would be ok with leaving the CS/WS in the drop pool if event drops from mage ults were nerfed, and the rewards mostly went to regular single client players who do dailies/area bosses, but that's not the case currently."

My preferred solution would be to specifically remove those rewards for mage farmers, while letting other players keep them.
If staff can make it happen, that would be great.
Otherwise, I'd rather see the other parts of this event buffed, with boxes nerfed.
The goal in general is to bridge the gap between what a farmer and a regular player will earn from this event.

 

I have huge Respect for you, Donn1e.

However I don't think this is a good idea.

People spend alot of time with the anniversary event and it's a good income for new players,casual players and veterans.

The rates are high to recieve cs/ws and I think it's good so all players can gamble with cs/ws and try this out whatever you wanna do with it.

Sell or use.

Most players sell it I guesse but the rates for cs for example is 60% and alot players wanna try this out, therefore it's one of the best events available.

So in my opinion this should not be removed.

 

as someone who joined during the anniv event, i pink bean pq-ed daily, got ws from the boxes which motivated me to make more characters to pq and it really kept me going. it would be nice to see that bit remain untouched (at least for the pb pq boxes)

 

No.

let the new unfunded players get their rewards and fun. If you are too tired to farm you don’t have to.

seems to me like you might be tired from farming and want to take a break but dont want others to have fun and profit whilst you’re slacking off.

-single client, no mage, male character that has only gotten 2-3 cs/ws from anni boxes for the whole event past 2-3 years

 

Only someone who clearly doesn't know me could make this comment, honestly.
You assume the worst intentions, I genuinely try to have balance.

Doesn't matter though, if it's not what people want, that's perfectly fine with me, I will abuse this event as always anyway.
It's just an opinion.

 

hope you get more than 105b this year

 

I agree with @Donn1e It's pretty discouraging to see that someone can pretty much auf an entire character with one anni event when it would take me over a year to make a similar amount (including participating in anni event myself without mage farming).

It's stuff like that that makes me feel pressured to either join the mage farmers or just lose motivation to play at all. Call it jealousy but it's hard to feel like what you're doing is worthwhile at all when you are like 5x less efficient.

There's ways to have an event that is good for new players without being broken for mage farmers. Remove/nerf boxes from regular mobs. Force people into pqs for boxes instead, have exclusive drops like gold zakum helm that force ppl back into certain bosses.