Bucc nerf protest

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by Daniel11, Jul 2, 2026.

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Do you agree with super transformation nerf?

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  1. Dave Deviluke
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    Bucc threads rn
     
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    Daniel: it's just not fun for me
    Bluz: it's actually nicer when it's more difficult in my opinion
    Bluz: you will see that if you have lv200 it will be less noticeable
    Daniel: it was actually fun when it was simple and easy
    Daniel: if i wanted difficult/hard I'd have made a corsair
    Bluz: don't compare the two, corsair is harder


    And all the smells saying mbga i assume mean "make buccs great again"
     
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    The smegas saying “make buccs great again”

    and about my conversation just was just talking to a friend about it being fun for me that buccs were easy and if I wanted a hard job I would’ve opened a corsair

    If you want exact translation I can give it to you too but it doesn’t say anything bad just my opinion but the point of this screenshot was the smegas

    Btw I wish the managers would reply to the tons of comments and claims in this post instead of looking to translate a screenshot of mine ‍♀️

    Why is the community being ignored? Why we get half baked answers ignoring the real problems? Hard to find lhc parties nobody wants to plays Bucc, same with ht and even for VL took time to find buccs

    you can see the decline and you can see comments in this post, why no one addresses that, by my poll majority want the change reverted

    Is this nerf for the better of the community or for how admins wanna see it played?
     
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    Not sure they mind tbh, I put the game in the gacha only category for now since this killed my will to play my main , I just vote and gacha then quit, was looking forward to anni event too, but this just left a bad taste
     
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    Yeah I’m the same, I mainly fmpq most days haven’t touched my Bucc besides trying to do 1 ht run which showed me I won’t be doing any more runs

    If this thread proved anything is that they don’t really care or listen to the community, they don’t mind making others game enjoyable while ruining it for a whole class and if they get backlash they will find justifications for it instead of listening to the majority

    It’s more important for them to be “right” (in their perspective) than to have a happy community.
     
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    As there seems to be some misunderstanding, I'd like to clarify a few points.

    Regarding the screenshot, it was written in a language I do not understand, and I was unable to obtain a reliable translation. As such, I requested a translation to verify the content and context, and to determine whether it was relevant to the discussion (this thread).

    With the recent Buccaneer balance discussions becoming quite heated, I have also been keeping an eye on the relevant threads to ensure the conversation remains civil. Whenever non-English messages or screenshots are posted, I need to verify their contents to ensure they do not contain personal attacks, rule violations, or unrelated/off-topic content.

    As for your comment:

    "Btw I wish the managers would reply to the tons of comments and claims in this post instead of looking to translate a screenshot of mine."

    I understand your concern. However, due to my own playstyle and the fact that I do not actively participate in endgame bossing, I am not involved in the internal discussions regarding skill changes or bossing meta in general. For that reason, I am not in a position to comment on or justify the balancing decisions made by Staff.

    My involvement in this thread has been primarily from a moderation perspective- reviewing reports, ensuring discussions remain within the Forum Rules & Regulations, and verifying non-English content where necessary.

    I hope this clarifies why I requested a translation of your screenshot. It was not intended to ignore the feedback being shared about Buccaneers, but rather to ensure I fully understood the content before determining whether any moderation action was required.
     
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    stop they’re gonna nerf us in phase 2 again
     
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    I understand you’re only a moderator, I’m just bitter about it same as many other buccs, seems like server just doesn’t care about us unfortunately

    Anyway thank you for the reply
     
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    Mm > bucc in mobbing now
     
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    Which is really sad innit?
     
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    Phase 2 : Revert Transformation Changes - MBGA
     
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    they already said they aren't doing that.
     
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    Personally I disagree with the nerf even though I never played bucc, just because it's (supposedly) a big nerf out of nowhere, leveling characters takes time and it must feel awful if you are maining bucc to suddenly be weaker and totally out of your control. Should have been a smaller nerf perhaps? Though idk if people would be just as outraged.

    It makes sense though why there needs to be nerfs, since its a mmo you don't want one class to dominate the rest, and the alternative is powercreep other classes but then it will slowly become more like modern maplestory.
     
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    Conceptually, I like the idea of ST having a cooldown period. The problem is the class is not balanced around ST being a "temporary buff", its balanced around ST being permanent. This makes it so instead of ST feeling like a temporary increase in power, it just feels like the baseline and the class feels nonfunctional without it.
    Having to be in point-blank melee range with no iframes and no power stance (from Energy Charge) and a medium health pool just does not feel like a functional class. What if there was a way to choose when to activate Energy Charge, like make the Energy Charge buff a regular activated buff like Knuckle Booster but only usable when you've filled the charge meter? That way you could delay your Energy Charge activation a little to line up with when ST will be offline, so at least you can guarantee Power Stance while you're nose to nose with the boss? Would be annoying to have to manually trigger it constantly, and the delay of activation would be a further nerf to our already wounded DPS, but at least we wouldn't be getting bullied around with constant knockback preventing us from even being able to build Energy Charge.

    I would be curious to see before and after solo HT killtimes from Buccs to see just how significant the nerf really is in a realistic setting.
     
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    do the people responsible for this terrible change and those disregarding bucc players not know you need to be in ST to use Bucc skills?

    if the problem is that some people were soloing bosses via multiclienting (I don't believe that's the reason) then remove multiclienting entirely. Bucc and NL are not the same. NL always only needs one skill to attack and another to reposition and is also a selfish pusher. Bucc has terrible mobility because they can't mount during transformation and has to hug mobs to rush. they're both not mindless to play but saying that NL needs "strategy" is an complete lie.
     
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    I just don't use demo or snatch anymore - Barrage + DS all the way :D

    Edit - I do miss going super saiyan tho
     
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    I really wish people would stop bringing up damage as a valid justification for the change to Super Transformation when Tim, the person spearheading this change, has already stated that this had nothing to do with damage adjustments.

    The crux of why this feels terrible by design is the status quo for Buccaneer's freedom of playstyle and flexibility was in place for seven years.

    Imagine if you were driving the same car for seven years with options such as air conditioning or music and were told that for every hour you must now only use one or the other for 15 minutes of that hour.

    In that same metaphor your car didn't suddenly start driving better. Nothing else was added to make it feel better to drive despite now having options taken away for 25% of the time you are driving.

    The fact is that the changes just make the car less fun to drive. Yeah - sure it still functions to get from point A to Point B, but if that's all people cared about we would all be driving the same car with the same options.

    Then the person who made these changes to your car decides to effectively tell you to "deal with it" and falls back on promising to at some point make your car better to drive "at first".

    Of course people are going to be upset.

    Yes, we get it, other classes are comparatively much worse and trust me I am in support of making positive adjustments to Archers as a whole as much as I am in protest of the choice to limit Super Transformation.

    How much your class is lacking by comparison is not justification for dismissing how current Buccaneer players feel regarding this design choice. Please keep it classy. (In that same vein please keep your arguments civil fellow Buccs. You're not doing any favors to strengthen our case by making us out to look like fools either)

    If the plan is to alter the playstyle of a class please make sure it's still a fun playstyle. Had there been ways to reduce the cooldown by utilizing certain skills in a combo-type mechanic or some other way to create a "burst" feel when super transformation is up this would feel way less worse, but the fact is that we have had options taken away with no compensation whatsoever. There were even oversights to the Buccaneer leveling experience and SP issues regarding this change, but we were immediately told no possibility of reverting despite this obvious issue.

    Buff classes to make them more fun. A rising tide lifts all boats. Be more careful with nerfs or don't nerf at all.

    (For example the Smoke Screen nerf. This was handled quite elegantly in my opinion and I wish Super Transform was given the same level of thought and care).
     
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    In screenshot smega saying S> KC 23.5B 2 months ago according to price guide it was 26.675B, tell me again how buccs are not quitting and you don't see any buccs in content anymore (including me)
     

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