It's definately worth it to start with ME. If you go straight to himes and train there, the mesos they drop should be similar to the amount you are dropping for ME. As lvling is so fast at that point, the relatively small amount you're using for ME is totally worth it.
It's so you need less AP investment into those skills and more AP into Luk, which gives more damage than Dex or Str. Yes. At Dreamy Ghosts, I easily made enough mesos back from drops to make bombing them worth it.
Mesos aren't hard to get by on Royals (gach, resets, rocks), so just go for it. Bombing your way from 72 to 120 at Himes will cost you virtually no mesos. As for HP washing: No, not necessary, but still useful. Especially on the new source with mass seduce at HT, you can't always depend on Meso Guard, so if you have the funding to wash, do it; if you don't, leave it be for the time being.
I see everyone saying you break even at Himes, but I was actually making a very nice profit while I was there. (IIRC) Each round cost me 950*25 bags to bomb. It may have actually been as low as 900*20, but I think I did the first one just to be a bit safer. But with this setup, and a consistent Priest which managed to lure them correctly each time, this would easily kill the full round of Himes. Each Hime dropped over 20k bags + other items. So once efficient, Himes are actually not bad for money either. This is with maxed ME, but even with lvl 3 ME -Lvl 71 Bandit from LMPQing with 1 point in MG- you should still be able to make a profit if you do this correctly.
Just out of curiousity, other than himes and bosses, where else can I bomb (with the aid of a priest)? edit: and how does meso guard work? My meso guard seem to be turning itself off a lot.
Elderwraiths. They slowly hover over to you and they don't have a magic attack making for easy bombing.
So I've just gotten to third job and this is my first time ever getting to chief bandit. I gotta be honest, meso explosion confuses/intimidates me. I feel like I shouldn't head up to Headless Horseman without ever really having used meso explosion for bossing before. Is there a way to practice using meso explosion, e.g. an easier boss perhaps? It probably sounds like a silly question, but I'd appreciate any advice you could give on the skill for somebody new to it.
With 1 point in Meso Guard you'll be able to take a hit from HH, even without HP washing, and he doesn't attack when you're in DS, so in my opinion it actually is a good place to practice. I'd never used ME before either, and I definitely screwed up a lot on my first few HHs, but trust me, after you do half a dozen or so you'll be ripping through them in less than two minutes. It will probably take about 1m of 5k bags to bomb at first, when you're still getting used to positioning/speed-bombing, but again, it won't take long before you can do it perfectly with ~700k BF is a lot harder, because you have to learn exactly where to stand, when to bomb, and how many times you can bomb....which, to the demise of many a million, you can only learn by doing it (even with Marty's handy video.... I forgot about it the second I saw one spawn and shit my pants). And I don't know if it's just me, but Pap is a sonofabitch, and not worth the risk of apoplexy it poses. You could definitely experiment with low leveled bosses, or elderwraiths (which are good for training too), but I really don't think you'll need to.
@STYJ Elderwraiths, possibly GPWs if that's any good. Stick to Himes if you can. @Tempo the MG description is faulty, it doesn't save mesos directly, nor does it turn itself off. It's just very short-timed at LV. 1. @Vertine summed it up. HH is good practice, really. Drop in left corner, lure him, bomb at a reasonable distance, easy. Papulatus is a bitch, don't bother. You can also try Pianus, but he hits a bit harder (he's stationary, though).
Okay, thanks for all the help. Just a question about the headless horseman: is the only way to really fight him just find a map where he spawns and camp out? I'm new to bossing and it just seems like given all the people looking for HH all the time I'd never get the chance to even fight him.
HH spawns in a tonne of maps....if you take the time to go through them, and spend a few seconds in each (it often spawns right after killing a couple wraiths). you can almost always find one. In less popular maps (such as the two with elderwraiths), you have a better chance, especially if you pay attention to '~uptime'. Right after a server check is obviously the best time to hunt them, but after 7h uptime it won't be too tough to find. I personally don't recommend "camping out"... you could easily be waiting a few hours
Try getting someone to go in first then stand AFK at the bottom of the map (HS mule for example). This way, Krexel won't attack. If you can't, stand on the lower rocks/pipes, not too close to the eyes (somewhat in the middle).
Hey man, I need help with bombing stuff. I just hit 70 and I went and tried gobies...made 20% died twice so.... How much mesos do I drop? I tried dropping bags of 4k but how many do I drop (20? 15? 10 for house 10 for gobies?) plus, they 2 shot me so I'm kind of vunerable to dying all the goddamn time since you can't pot during DS...I find myself running around the map trying to un-DS + pot + DS again and it's failing a lot, plus the ME hitbox seems small as fuck because I often blow shit up and it only kills half or even no gobies....please answer fast I need to train lol
I honestly can't help you there, I've never actually trained at Gobies. Try Elderwraiths instead, that might be easier. Drop 30x 700 mesos there and blow them all up in one wave, don't get hit they one-shot you, but they're easy to lure. The map you should be training at is The Evil Dead. Tip: Kill the Phantom Trees to get a higher spawn and more XP. Edit: At level 72 with Meso Guard, try and find a Priest at all costs to go Himes. They get amazing EXP too, so it shouldn't be too hard.
