I was also trying to think of cons for this issue. For point 1, I think @Ario is saying this is a non-issue because you can take the tax when you initially purchase the "maple coin", i.e., pay 2.1B and get a coin worth 2B. My concern instead is that it shifts the costs; that is, in the new system the BUYER is effectively paying the tax, whereas in the tax system, the SELLER "pays" the tax. Point 2 is very valid.
There's also the fact that tax would only be paid once. Rather than on each trade. So the "maple coin" could be traded hundreds of times without losing any value or causing any further tax to the trades.
Probably with some dirty hack like a java memory and db flag next for the individual item. And it won't be possible to know if the item is tradable just by looking at it, you'd need to attempt to trade it. So it would make things pretty complicated and messy.
Honestly, I don't know of many instances of scams on >max mesos items. But instead of doing anything crazy that will totally screw up game dynamics, just document every sale properly with video/screen shot. This means both if you are a buyer and a seller. Just be smart, and dont go forking over a bunch of mesos without showing documentation that both you and the other person are agreeing to the sale of X item for X mesos. Most experienced players I have encountered on this server are 100% trustworthy, and with such a tight-knit community and GMs who actually care, noone can really get away with a scam the same way they can in gMS. This is just my $0.02, but I do think that doing weird stuff to the meso system would ruin some of the nostalgia.
What you are suggesting is not a viable or scalable solution for the issue. And there must be an issue if this topic has been brought up multiple times. Players cannot depend on GM's to oversee their trades which are dependant on trust.
Fair enough... I guess out of the options mentioned a 2b exchangeable coin could be a good idea. Either that or just make the trades in max mesos plus white/chaos scrolls.
What i would do is ceate a new item like a coin or something wich 1s worth 2.1b and you can buy in the entrance of the fm only if you have the money (of course DUH) that would make things a lot more easier since doesnt have to change all the rates, and skills of CB and etc etc. Just my opinion
Please read the thread before replying. This was brought up several posts before yours and a whole discussion occurred explaining why this is not feasible.
Implementing another currency such as super meso where 1super meso=1000meso, where each characters and storage has separate account, one for meso, one for super meso. Since super meso is a currency (not an item) just like meso, tax applies as well when trading using super meso. Not sure if it is possible though. Have a nice day Royallers =)
How would you store it? You only have 1 line of mesos, this would require you to make a new meso row and with a new currency, like exchanging X mesos into this new currency and you can use that for bigger transfers. I still really like Knuckles suggestion, is there a reason for it having to be that huge like 100/1000 less mesos? Wouldn't 10 suffice? 10b would be 1b and that would mean 21b per trade, more than enough to work with.
Just saying though, don't we already have this in terms of items such as white scrolls, chaos scrolls, BVMs, etc? Obviously you have to spend the time finding these items and the item seller has to be willing to take them, but its definitely something that is already here
Assets go up and down a TON. And overall isn't a reliable way of keeping mesos at ALL. (talking about BVM, Chaos, White Scrolls, Equipment). For example: If someone bought 60b worth of white scrolls 2 months ago at 360m each. (expected time to gather these would be 1-2 months, if that had happened at prices dropped to 270m - more so like it is now). Then that person would have lost a huge chunk of mesos, and wouldn't be able to pay out 60b, like they would have been able to do before. Assets isn't always the best place to keep mesos. I personally think a ETC exchange system (taxed when transferred to mesos) is the easiest solution, but there will always be negative consequences. (only taxes when transferred into mesos, duping may be an issue, etc).
Am I missing something here? I don't think I've ever seen scams on max meso items before? I also think the increased chance of duping these "super coins" is concerning due to the ease that they can be swapped for mesos resulting in a faster effect on the economy compared to duping particular items such as WS. This increase in speed would make it harder for admins to notice the duped coins and thus causing potential mass inflation.
That's hedging on the fact that people will be able to dupe these coins. Duping isn't that common at all, a few cases show up every couple months from what i've seen, and if they can dupe, then they could dupe white scrolls, chaos scrolls, chaos'd equipment. So if they can already do that, then they have no problems getting mesos, even without the coins.
You can exchange 1b mesos with me for a blue snail shell. I shall uniquely mark every blue snail shell I exchange for the mesos. Somehow~ How about it guys?
Not common because as of right now it's not worth the risk. I have seen the server ddos before so dupe is a possibility.
Best solution I could think of in terms of preventing the duping of Max Meso currency items is making them some form of one-of-a-kind so that you can't hold more than one, but the issue with that is that makes them untradable, doesn't it? If it were possible, in theory, there could be several different versions of the max-meso item (let's say, 5 different kinds). That way you aren't entirely restricted to only having just one to work with, but they aren't stackable or dupeable that I can tell. Moreover, they could still be taxed down to 2b from max mesos when purchased like someone else suggested, giving them an even number for trading purposes and a meso sink as well. Not a full solution but still.
My point is that they could dupe a number of other things even if we didn't have the ETC drop. It would still end up with them having duped funds (a lot of them - could dupe ws, chaos to scroll equipment and sell them, etc, etc) having the ETC drop won't change that fact. But it might like someone pointed out, make it harder to track.
