Leeching and thoughts on what it does to the game.

Hey if you ever change you mind can I buy leech off you?

 

I don't know if you really joined in july but most of the time new players want to remove advantage off players that played the server for a longer time.
Yes 3rd job leeching is easy but grinding isn't hard at all. It's summer time and there is good WS/Himes party.
From at bishop point of view I can tell you that most people that bought more than 4 hours of leech off me in 3rd job quit the game already because they can't stand the 4th job.

Edit: I remember buying 1 hit skele 40m (from Lightz) and meanwhile selling crappy 2 hit skele in another channel

 

Actually, the reason i made this was because i noticed the sheer amount of bishops leeching people vs WS parties, and it kind of irked me.

I'm not 100% against leech, only using it as a main way of training, but if the majority don't mind it, why should i? I just don't understand why somebody wouldn't want to play the game, which is different than somebody leeching for 10 hours or longer imo.

 

I have never sell leech before, in my entire life in royals, and I never intend to. But there are situation when I want fast mesos, one of my methods being hunting for wolf spiders as they drop equipments very often and on top of that they don't drop "etc" which is a good thing for me. More often than not, some players will drop in to my map and requesting leech.

In my point of view I don't see that as leeching, but rather helping someone who might be struggling to level up at level 75 since I was in that position before and I understand some of the frustrations and struggles. To me, "Leeching" is more of a business transaction. If there is no money involve then I'll use the term "helping out".

The bad part is I am a very poor mage because I never sell any leech. I earn my mesos through selling many equipments to shops, which is enough for me to compensate costs for my pots while helping out other players and saving up the remaining for skill books and scrolls.

I am not a pure INT mage.

 

True

 

You are one of a kind sir, a true hero, please continue being that way <3.
And no he never leeched me personally nor i ever saw him in game but that's a very nice thing to do.

 

I believe leeching is a part of the game that shouldnt be changed at all.

All in all, in mapleroyals, there is no pay to play concept at (which i absolutely love) Mesos is earned by giving out your time in game. ---> giving you a wage of ???m/hour

I don seee why we should remove this system. It gives a alternative for using your time to change into mesos. Its a business transaction plainly speaking.

 

Thank you for making this thread.

F**K!!!!!!!!! LEECHING!!!!!!!

Seriously. Leeching is the ABSOLUTE WORST thing to happen to Maplestory. I hate it with a passion.

Maplestory used to be a game of community. A game of pride. There was a sense of pride in being a high level bowman for example. This is achieved by grinding through tough levels and achieving our small but fulfilling goals of wearing the next big item / weapon.
The community would form strong bonds through partying, grinding, and questing together.

And only through hard work and dedication, would one can say, "Wow I am a high level Hero. It was a journey and I achieved this through my own dedication with the help of my friends."

Now what is the f--king point?

Let's all just make a f--king bishop or buy leech to level 10x faster! Even better, if you are a priest, you can get free leech provided that you spam hs!

Instead of playing the game as a community, this game has become end game orientated. It's all about reaching a high level fast and bossing. What is the point of bossing if all you did was leech your way there?

I mean, look at Kerning Pq, Ludi Pq, Ulu, Gobies, and Wolf Spiders. They are almost always empty or a bishop is leeching someone.

The game I fell in love with 7 years ago is dead. Leeching has destroyed what is fun about the game. Maplestory like high school is about the journey not the result.

#rantover#saltybecauseFKLEECHING

 

That bump.

 

lol'd, how many of the top 100 do you think got to where they are by buying "10x faster than grinding leech". Maybe what you fell in love with (pre-135) has been damaged by leeching, but that really isn't how it is for the "competitive part" of the game you're talking about. I agree leeching plays a part in the game, much more than it did pre-v40, but this is v62, if you want to be competitive without leeching, get out of the 14x levels where grinding and bossing wins hands down. And "pride" should be something you reflect on yourself, if you know you haven't leeched, and you achieve and become a top bowman (level 18x+) then I don't see why you would still not be prideful or confident. Leeching becomes VERY slow after 4th job, and not convenient at all, unless you prefer pooping out mesos and just watching someone kill mobs for you, when you could be grinding at ToT for a higher exp rate.

 

It's quite simple. If you can afford to leech do it, but if you can't then don't. If you can't afford to leech but do it anyways you're going to be a weak end game character.
To each their own

 

That's not my point. My point is that leeching defeats the purpose of making any other first class other than a bishop. It also hurts the community because everyone is doing it cause its much faster / efficient. This makes maplestory more of a single player game more than a mmorpg that requires teamwork / communication.

There is a very big difference from being the server's highest bowman without leeching. Or being the servers highest bowman because you have a bishop and leeched yourself.
The lather is MUCH easier and undermines the former's level of difficulty.

 

I like where your head is at. Some of the greater memories of my time playing gMS was through the grind that most of us experienced playing there. And as @maggles said, a lot of us here on this server have worked our way up through dedicated grind.

However.. as a server progresses, more services (leeching) become available thanks to higher level players being able to aid lower level players (Bishop leech/BF, etc.). gMS had this going for it too. You could PG leech off of pretty much anything and get to level 70 in a day if you had the time and money.

The leechless grind that you are looking for is available, you just have to find it.

 

That's exactly my point. As a result, the server is overpopulated with bishops and anyone who does not have access to leech will be at a severe disadvantage. Why should one class be 100 TIMES (not even joking) richer and easier to level than the rest of us?

 

Well I see it as making a bishop takes bonus hours of comitment, time that you could be using to just grind your main and it might not be fun as you said (depends on the person), I myself have HARDLY sold leech besides very early on in the server. I don't find it fun, and I still managed to get mesos through merching, bossing and other means. Just weigh the PROs and CONs. There are plenty of examples of people in the top 200 who mained an attacking job first, and made bishops later, or still don't have bishops. Sure a bishop does give you an advantage, but a lot of people don't use them to leech at all, but instead use them to to farm (which is one of the only advantages of being a mage) and holy symbol. Some also make them to wash HEAVILY but that's a luxury and a choice. You don't need a bishop to wash lightly to tank the bosses in V62.

 

There's a rather weird culture and perception here in MapleRoyals that is propagated by many that going bishop first, or just making a bishop in general, is the easiest and fastest way to level and make money, but really that's a very limited view of the truth. In reality, you don't need a bishop at all, it just makes certain things, such as washing and making mesos, much more convenient while also forcing you to spend more time on the game.

Like @maggles said, making a bishop first, or at all, when you want to play other classes is simply more hours spent on the game. There are many people who started without making a bishop first who turned out just fine. All the hours spent making the bishop could have been spent on a different character. Let's say you prefer an attacking class, but everyone keeps telling you to roll bishop first. The time you spend making a bishop could have been put to use making any class you would have preferred instead. Obviously a mage levels up faster than any attacking class, but that is still time you spent away from a character you would have preferred; so maybe instead of having a 150 bishop you have a 120 night lord, so what? People always cite HS, (self)leech, washing, and money making ability as reasons to have a bishop, but none of these things are unobtainable or even difficult to get without having a bishop, despite what others may say.

First let's talk about HS and leeching. Both of these are very easily available from someone else, especially since there's no shortage of bishops and priests. HS is easy, priests everywhere are begging to join parties and HS people so they can AFK HS and watch porn anime or something. And that's not even that infuriating, it is a mutually beneficial relationship after all. If I had a choice between solo training or leeching a priest that's dutifully HSing me I'd pick leeching the priest 11 times out of 10. Once those priests get to fourth job and genesis they'll start leeching you instead, and charging for it. If you have the money and are willing to pay for leech, might as well do it; if not, don't begrudge those who have bishops and are self leeching themselves. Instead, think about how much more time they're gonna spend getting their attacker to level 155. By the time their attacker reaches 155 they'll be level 180(ish) on their bishop and you'll probably be around 170, given you spend a similar amount of time on the game. You'll have the advantage in level and likely equips on your attackers, but they'll have a bishop.

What about washing? Don't we have to wash our attackers too? No! Well, yes, but not as much as people say. All you need is 5.6k HP by 155 in order to do Horntail, this is really easy to do on every class with very little funding. A lot of people will tell you that you need 11.5k HP to tank two hits from HT or to tank Bigfoot, but you don't. Every squishy attacking class has a means for avoiding BF if they need, and being able to tank an extra hit is purely a luxury that you don't need. So don't believe that you need to make a bishop to leech an int laden attacker to get ungodly amounts of HP, it's not necessary. It's nice and convenient and a luxury, but not needed. When Pink Bean comes out you will need 11.5k HP to survive, but doing PB isn't as necessary as doing HT. Everyone should be able to get an HT pendent at some point, PB doesn't have a similarly important and untradable drop unless you count Timeless and Reverse weapons, which I doubt we'll get. But even if you do want to PB, you can do it with minimal washing and HB. This server undervalues HB compared to GMS largely because washing is so prevalent. It's not out of the question to have one DrK in each party, and the added demand for DrKs could lead to more diversity in classes. Anyway, you don't need a bishop to wash. You can put a small amount of base int (having 40-70 int by level 70 won't handicap you so much that the character is unplayable and it will enable you to wash more than enough to survive HT) and get some basic int equips, a zak helm and dep star, and you're more than set. Yes it will hinder your leveling ability a bit, but you will also be able to jump straight into bossing when you reach the appropriate level.

Now all this washing costs money, and the easiest way to make money is by selling leech on a bishop right? Well, not necessarily. I have never sold leech at all, and I'm a level 200 bishop; I also know many others who either didn't sell leech or sold small amounts of it and had no problems making money. The best way to make money in this game is to merch, period. I, and everyone else that hardly sell leech had no problem funding their characters in other ways. In fact, bossing can make you as much or nearly as much money as leeching. If you consistently boss, which you will as an attacking class, you can sell dep stars, books, rare drops, and runs that will give you enough money to fund any character you want. Not to mention bossing classes are able to sell bigfoot leech as well, which can actually be faster than bishop leech depending on how fast you kill bf.

Now I'm not trying to say that going bishop first doesn't have it's advantages, it definitely does, but those advantages aren't as pronounced as many want us to believe. You can start as a class other than bishop and succeed.

OT: Leeching is not destroying the game.

 

The issue with leeching, from my perspective, is the fact it removes any sense of achievement from playing hard-to-level-up classes. Even a perm beginner could get to 120 when getting leeched. If I were to grind on a beginner, level 50 would be quite the goal but someone else could be a level 70 beginner in a few days with way less effort. This is probably the reason why there's an Islander community in this server.

I think that's about it though, some people find sense of achievement into building a perfect attacker with huge amounts of HP and damage, and doing it efficiently as possible. While that's not me and I'm more into what I explained before, there's no room for complaints. If do you feel its unfair, propose a new exp ratio for attacker/leecher.

 

Thank you for elaborating on what I was getting at <3 perfect as always.
I hate typing in class on a phone )-:

 

I'd like to add to this debate as someone who made various mains and only after a year and a half did I make a bishop and I must say that I at least *feel* far better off. I have not sold leech nor do I intend to,(hmu for free leech) but the range of benefits that one gets from a 4th job mage is ridiculous. I agree that its extra hours spent on the game, but making any other class before making a bishop is either straight up inefficient OR rather it just pushes you toward inefficiency. Had I originally made a bishop, I forsee that my main(s) would be far better off than they are now. I would give examples of such, but that requires for more effort than my dear brain allows at this early hour.
Edit: I'd like to add that this is entirely a personal account of my experiences and that I do understand @maggles and @Rob 's standpoint and that it may well apply to them. Just thought the POV of someone who did something unconventional (and somewhat regrettable) may be valuable to this discussion.