Leeching and thoughts on what it does to the game.

And to counter Matt's point, as someone who has been leeched on my legit, to me, the fun is being able to explore the maps that were previously unavailable to me that I didn't have the patience to grind and level up on. Due to my limited availability to even login to my legit, it's great to meet someone and chat with them or explore a high levelled area, instead of saying "Sorry, I can't. I need 40 more levels before I can go there." I've never hit anything higher than 14x on a character, so the number itself means nothing to me. Being able to explore maps I never even heard of when I played GMS, using skills I saw so many YouTube videos of, and seeing how those parts of the game work is why I have a leeched character.

 

They worked for that advantage and are entitled to do so, there is nothing wrong with it

Any class can make money you just have to put in the time to actually go out and make it

 

This is worth repeating.

 

No, not really. Aside from merching and scrolling (which anybody can do). No other class can grind efficiently for money.

On my 123 DK which is relatively funded. I average about 20m/per hour at skeles. Compare this to a bishop at a similar level who can make the same plus an additional 40-50m / hour by selling leech. That is nearly 3 times more mesos (and more exp cause HS) for the bishop. Yes I know Gen 20 is like a billion but that supports my point. No skillbook should be that overpriced. Gen 20 being overpriced is a result of bishops being too overpowered as a first class, thus demand for it skyrocket high.

Like Stan said, making any other first class other than a Bishop PUSHES you towards inefficiency. And this hurts the community because we are longer an interconnected community of attackers. Instead everyone is leeching their asses to 135+ and using their billions for bosses. Anyone who does not leech or have a bishop will fall too far behind.

For example; I log on to try to find a skele or himes party. I can't do so because all the priests are too busy leeching. In all skele maps, there is a bishop leeching someone. I log off...

 

I feel like you ignored my entire post.

 

I read your post thoroughly and enjoyed the analytics of it.

But look, the fact is, I've played RMS for 4 months and as a result, I have a 123 DRK who can't even find a party or grind mesos efficiently. My net worth is maybe 1B.

In these 4 months, I could've made a 140 bishop and then leeched a 120 DRK in a matter of 2-3 weeks. In addition to having billions more mesos / hp wash/ and better equips.

The truth is, I'm salty because I was not smart enough to realize how f--king overpowered bishops are and I truly believe they are ruining a lot of new players experience of the game when they realize how pointless grinding is compared to leeching.

I mean that is it. I just really hating leeching because it undermines a players' (such as myself) hard work of grinding.

Oh well, maybe I'll start a bishop.

 

Well I personally made a hero first, and I'm 14x and I'm worth about 10B + if I were to guess...
and I also know a lot of bishops who are not as funded as I am,
only put a few months into this game since I've quit on and off and I still believe this game is what you make of it
You have to work at it if you want to get anywhere no matter what class

 

I feel like people who come to Royals to get that true 100% to old school feel wont find it here or anywheres else. Nothing can truly replicate those days. If only it were that easy to go back to 2005.

But with that being said this server is as close to old school as it gets and I love it. I am happy I decided to try this place cause it really brings me back.

Moving on. If you didnt play any classes into the later half of 3rd job or 4th job levels on GMS or EMS back before they nerfed XP tables, then you have absolutely no clue what a real grind is. Nothing on this server is hard to level or grind for with increased XP and Drop rates. If you start to feel a grind at any point before you're even 3rd job then you're probably not going to handle the grind at any point after. If you're interested in just getting through area's of bland grinding on a class that has limited areas to train at, like a Priest and Ghost ship then I can see leeching being a perfectly fine alternative to leveling if you have the meso. Leeching certainly has its uses. The thing that i notice is how much more popular leeching is compared to regular grinding. Most of the good maps have a high level mage leeching someone through that zone. The idea of partying for the sole purpose of grinding together just doesnt really exist anymore. That used to be the default line of thinking. This is probably the thing I miss most from the early days of my maple playing. This is not something you can really bring a community back to doing.

I'm not saying leeching is bad. My view on it has actually changed a lot since I joined Royals. I used to be dead set against it, but my opinon has softened a lot, specially after reading some point of views in this thread a lone. Heck Im probably going to wind up charging leech. I want people out playing the game for themseleves and not waiting for that invisible line to be passed before you can have fun or enjoy the game. It was about the journey you took with your class that was what made you enjoy playing. Not enough people bother to recognize this anymore.

If what I wrote makes absolutely no sense, well I have to agree. Thoughts bounce around inside my head and I try to type them out as they come, but I dont always get around to making my thoughts actually make any sense. So apologies.

 

You are also a kind person to help a newbie sader get a helm. Dont think ive forgotten that sir.

 

Above and beyond anything else this game should be about having fun, the meso and level is just the correlation of how much time you have put into it.
Enjoy yourself or I'd question my motives for even playing in the first place

 

The need for leeching was never something that really ever existed on GMS. Leeching is as big as it is on Royals thanks to how wealth is accumulated. NX is not pay to win. It was instead shifted to farming which Mages absolutely excel at.

 

Leeching either requires a sizeable time investment be it through grinding a priest or a huge amount of mesos.

It may "take away" the sense of achievement some classes have but this only affects you personally if you let it. Getting to the point where you can leech requires a lot of time investment. I also feel anything you can do in 4th job far outweighs the "accomplishment" of sitting at newts on a Pirate.

Selling Leech is just brainless easy and can be done by grinding. A majority of money comes from merching and selling drops, which as mentioned can be done by any class. I don't think I've met a Bishop who got a majority of his/her funds through Leech, it's just a bonus on the top.

 

if you've played for 4 months and you're only 12x then you don't play enough to be complaining about income and net worth. if you made a bishop like you say you should, you'll see that you won't be making much more unless you put more time into it. and if you'd put that time into improving your income as a drk, you'll succeed. maybe you won't make as much as you would if you had a bishop, but your net worth would be more than it is now. my point is that it takes time regardless. you could be more efficient as a bishop, but selling leech and farming with genesis isn't for everyone. it's not as easy as you think, it's tedious stuff and it's why I don't do it. my first character was a drk as well and I didn't start my bishop until a few months later when my net worth was already pretty big. but I played a lot, and I still do. it just takes time, money doesn't magically appear in your inventory after you make a bishop

 

Here's where I think our disconnect is, and others have already mentioned it. You, an many others, seems to assume that by making a bishop you automatically become rich, this is not the case. It is true that you'll make more money than other classes, but not enough to make you billions more rich. You will have more tools to make more money than other classes though. Here's the reality of your more Mesos, hp washing, and better equips idea.

Yes, you can leech yourself, and because of this you can HP wash yourself more than you otherwise would be able to do; and you can make money from farming while leeching yourself. But if you're leeching yourself you automatically disqualify yourself from leeching other people, so that potential revenue stream is either unavailable or diminished. So while you'll be making more mesos from farming than other classes it won't be billions more and your other main Bishop revenue stream will be limited.

You're also assuming that you'll be able to better pay for HP washing and getting better equips. Well, unless you're merching then not really. You'll definitely be better funded, but not so much that you can pay for both HP washing and much better equipment; you'll likely have to pick one or the other (if you're not merching much.) doing godly HP washing takes 5b+ and perfecting equips takes even more, even by selling leech you'll have a hard time making this kind of money without hard core merching.

Basically, no matter what job you are it takes unhealthy amounts of time to become really funded. Being a bishop does help, but it's not a coverall solution that suddenly makes the game infinitely easier.

 

The biggest advantage of having a bishop is not so much the amount of mesos you'll earn or have saved, it's simply the privilege to access one on demand. You won't need to rely on other bishops to leech you, you won't need help from other bishops to help farm or find items, everything is under your control.

Sure, having a bishop doesn't automatically make you rich but there's a lot more to bishops than just making mesos. Having the ability to self leech is huge, especially if you're planning on going down the 30k clean hp route. Being able to hs yourself while grinding or bossing without leeching exp, finding scrolls or equipments you otherwise have to buy or farm on a slower class, afk farming stoppers while you do something else on another character, and of course there's the obvious selling leech. Making a bishop is also really easy and require 0 funds. You can have the lowest stat items and still be able to effectively do its job, which also makes this class noob friendly, how convenient!

The way I see it, making a bishop as your first character opens up a lot more options in the future. It allows you to get familiar with the Royals economy and meta with no drawbacks whatsoever. To any new players that might see themselves take this game even the slightest bit seriously, do yourself a favor and make a bishop first.

 

I think you missed my base point, I admitted multiple times that going bishops is easiest and provides opportunities that no other class can give. My point is that everyone telling people that rolling bishop first is by far the best way to go are wrong. Especially for casual players who don't like bishops or don't have the time to play as much.

 

My post wasn't made as a direct response to yours, sorry for the misunderstanding. I did say in the end however that only the hardcore/semi-hardcore people should make a bishop first because I know how boring and tedious the class is.

 

Ah ok my bad!

 

Bishops will always be useful because of holy symbol. honestly that will never be changed and as long as they have that skill they will be a useful job to have.

Anything else really isn't worth explaining because people are just starting to reiterate points, that have been said multiple times in this thread. I personally have made most of my funds myself and not from selling leech. Other merchants in the server have definitely proved the point as well, that leeching is by far not the most productive way to make mesos, a lot of the richest players in the server don't sell leech for mesos.

Honestly it's all about effort, while leeching might be an easy, but time consuming task to make mesos for a bishop, farming maps is not the fastest way to make money on an attacking class.

In my opinion leeching doesn't ruin the server at all. Just put in the effort and you will reap the rewards.

@& what was said above, leeching to 30k hp is a choice not a requirement. If you want to make that choice then yes your own bishop is probably required but that's reality. Everyone with a 30k character has to do the same...

Farming heartstoppers can also be done with other jobs.. Not only bishops.

If it took you four months to get a 123 dark that is honestly probably the problem. First week of the server with no bishops @christian got to that level in a week on a dark knight.

 

At the risk of sounding arrogant, I've got a fair amount of gear that 90% of the people who play this server won't ever have, and I've sold a grand total of four hours leech in my two years on this server, on a Magician char I only started actually playing about six months ago. And I rarely merchant or scroll gear to resell with my shop.

My Bishop only makes money from grinding. It has no shop. At the moment, it has about 600m liquid from the last three days of work, grinding about five hours a day.
My Night Lord made more than that last night off of one Horntail run and a Zakum, which took about four hours.

Oh, and on topic: leech has its place. As many have said before me, leech falls off in effectiveness after about level 130; I've leeched myself at 15x and it wasn't fun. If you wish to leech, then do it; it has a vast number of upsides, and it has the glaring downside of costing a fairly exorbitant amount of money in recompense if you pay someone else to do it, or if you do it yourself it requires you to make a whole second character to play your own. I didn't make a Bishop until I had three level 16x or higher non-mage characters, and I used it solely for Holy Symbol purposes. Some people will know; I didn't even get one point into Genesis until my Bishop was level 146 or something. I maxed Holy Shield, Bahamut, Maple Warrior and Resurrection first. Why? My Hero grinded faster at Oblivion 4, and my Corsair/Marksman grinded faster at bosses, and they all made more than enough money to sustain me.