A comprehensive Night Lord guide

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    Just wondering why you don't max avenger earlier. You say it's weaker than lucky 7, but at max level even with only 3 targets it's much stronger than lucky 7. Also, you pretty much need avenger to train at wolf spiders at around level 85, so doesn't it seem like a good idea to max avenger first/second?
     
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    In my experience Avenger's that great of a mob skill at early 3rd job levels. At Wolf Spiders you'll find yourself on the middle platforms sniping spiders with Lucky 7, so having Shadow Partner maxed earlier will increase your damage output. As you're around level 90+ Avenger will become more useful as you go onto Ulu and Himes definitely. But at the early levels, it makes sense not to max avenger earlier in my opinion.
     
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    In my experience (although I only got to like level 85 pre-big bang, and haven't gotten there yet in this server), avenger is used about as often as lucky seven. Not much more, but definitely not much less. So maxing it first seems natural to me, since shadow partner at level 11 isn't much different from level 30
     
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    I maxed shadow partner first, avenger did barely any damage for me at wolf spider,
     
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    Maybe because you didn't max it first? It outdamages lucky seven by a ton if you hit just 3 monsters, which happens relatively often

    Either way, I'm gonna max it first and see how it goes. Might get shadow partner to 21 first if 11 doesn't have enough duration (which it probably doesn't tbh)
     
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    It is also the problem of the map layout at wolf spiders, it is quite difficult killing 28k hp monsters with avenger, I feel it would be more useful and
    make it easier training at earlier levels with Shadow Partner.
     
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    Recommended Total INT: 290 – 320 (Before Level 100)

    Approx. 6,200 HP to gain, done within 282 washes or 3,384 excess MP
    *Be sure to wash using fresh AP gained from level up

    Approx. Total Cost: 2,820,000,000 Mesos + 10,000,000 for every AP you have added into INT
    Levels to Wash at: Starting from level 70, as and when you have enough MP for the next wash (still using the 5 fresh AP gained from each level)


    Following this, i made a fresh character lv 10 with base 30 int. From on do i reach 290 int asap and then wash straight away the excess mp AND base int? Or continue leveling with int till 175? Got confused
     
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    Once you reach that amount of Int, you'll want to use your level up AP into HP then immediately use AP Resets to take it out of MP and into whatever base stat you want while leaving your Int intact.
     
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    So what level do i stop and actually reset the int?
     
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    175 according to the guide.
     
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    Thats awful! So basically leeching youself to 175 because you wont even have decent damage o_O
     
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    Pretty much. If you can't manage that, then go for a lower HP goal.
     
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    How do you calculate, per say i want 9k by level 120? Or xxxx hp with hb having 9k by 120? My goal is to kill black crow ( i know its silly)
     
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    so according to the guide for 7.6k hp at 155 i would have to keep my base int till 155 before resetting them back to luck?
     
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    Yes
     
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    Do you have to max Dark Sight? ~f6
     
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    it's SUPER DUPER useful. like insanely so. unless you're gonna hp wash to like 10k hp by level 120 or something (in which case you shouldn't even need this guide), then you should definitely max it.

    what else would you max anyway?
     
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    No, but it's worth maxing over many other skills from 1st to 3rd job.
     
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    If HP washing really needed? Ugh, it's so complicated. Has this always been around or is it something maplers recently figured out?
    I was thinking of maxing out drain, but that's because I assume draining is suppose to help your HP (In a sense where, I don't have to have INT based EQ or add INT and not add LUK).
     
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    The reason HP washing is needed is for MAX HP to survive just 1 hit. For example, Zakum does over 3k damage with a single hit, so you need to HP wash to over that amount in order to be able to do it. Whenever you can survive a single hit, potions will be fine to let you survive multiple. Also, as I said, dark sight is more useful when you're not HP washing much. If you were HP washing, dark sight wouldn't be as useful because you would be able to survive a single hit from more monsters.

    Also, it's really not that complicated. You don't even need to buy INT equips or add INT. You can do that if you want more HP, but you don't need to. Just add 6 points to int to get to 10 asap (since they always round down to the nearest 10 for mp gain) and get a zakum helm and deputy star (which you'll get for damage anyway) asap, for that extra 20 int. If you can get 30 int by level 60-70, you should have enough MP to get enough HP to do pretty much every boss by level 150.
     
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