Just something to mole around the old noggin. Do you think that mastery books should be gach items aswell. I'm talking about most of the horntail mastery book drops because i haven't heard or seen many Horntail runs plus that FAT dragon drops the last few books all classes need. What do you think? Criticism is always welcome.
Yet we don't have another way to get them since there's no hruns. It's pretty much impossible. I wouldn't suggest to put it in gacha, I prefer to farm it from bosses (not horanytail though).
There's no hruns because no one is strong enough to start one. Again, people get upset when we simplify the game, make it easier, and bring players to the end game quicker than normal. So we are keeping it GMS like and it is something that no one will get until HT can be conquered. That's how the game works. You SHOULDN'T be able to somehow acquire everything in the game so easily, it should be a struggle. And the mastery books SHOULD be nearly impossible to get. That's what makes it so fun!
Personally I doubt the server will ever have the ability to HT. Getting enough ACTIVE attackers who are over 160-170, HP washed properly, and have good enough end game gear playing all at one time just isn't going to happen in my opinion. We're too small - by the time the next wave of people are ready, the first set of high levelled players have grown bored and are inactive. Repeat. Not to mention everyone needs to be able to commit about 8+ hours to the run. Hahah, yeah no. Just my opinion though, could be biased .... I hate bossing.
I'm not saying that Mastery books should be added to Gachapon, but just adding to Bella's point that HT is glitched. So I doubt we will ever be able to do it, especially since we have no active DEVs.
1. Horntail doesn't even work, and since we have no full time Dev, it probably won't for a VERY long time. 2. Even if it did work, we don't have the high level player base to take it down. If Horntail worked properly and we were still 10x, I'd agree and say we should only get those books from HT, unfortunately, neither of those are the case. We simply don't have enough active players to get a full party of HP washed 17x+ attackers to begin a run, if it even worked. This really hurts come classes as some very necessary books drop exclusively from HT. To do HT, you need 1 each of Pap/Pianus/Zak certificates to enter HT. Maybe make a custom PQ that has beefed up versions of these 3 bosses that requires 1 of each certificate to enter, put the HT books/Narcs/Apples etc. in there as drops, and make it 14x+? Just shooting ideas around, but they should be realistically available. In response to John, if anything, not having the books be available makes us reach our endgame faster, since we have nothing worthwhile to put SP into since we can never max certain skills, some of the more detrimental ones include; Mages can never max ultimates (hurts F/P and I/L more since Bishops can 1 shot Skeles with Gen20) Dark Knights can never max Berserk (Makes Berserk nearly impossible to use effectively at bosses) Marksman can never max Snipe (Hurts their already inferior 1v1 capabilities when compared to Bowmasters, who also can't max Concentrate.) Night Lords can never max Triple Throw (Does this need an explanation?) Not to mention the other classes that can't max certain skills. I think we need to make them obtainable. Not easily obtainable, but obtainable.
Cheers, mate! <----- Anyhow, if HT worked I wouldn't mind the books being HT-only. However, considering the fact that HT is not working, another option for getting the books might be, hmm, preferable. That option, if implemented, should be really, really, really difficult though. (Maybe "Chaos Zakum" - i.e. Zakum except it has 3/4/5/6/7/8x the HP of a normal Zakum. Or something.)
Maybe we could put the books in other bosses (Pap, Pianus, Zak, etc) temporarily until we get HT working again? That would solve the problem of not having the books while also not making them overly easy to get. Drop rates could be lowered too since they're not supposed to come from those bosses. Just an idea.
Just an idea but, how about needing to merge like 5 (20) books for a 30. i.e. 5 genesis 20s to make a genesis 30 (Remember 30 mastery books have a 50% pass rate)
No, because this would mean just a few would get hold of genesis 20. It is hard to get 1 genesis 20 as it is, implementing this would make genesis 20 almost nonexistent for most Bishops.
Alright, so there have been two arguments against a custom boss with HT book drops. One is that not it's not true to Maple, the other is that it could potentially make the server too easy and result in people quitting at a faster rate. Another complication that I would like to bring up is that poorly thought-out custom content can change the nature of a server. The Boss PQ in Destiny is a clear example of this, where it has become the focus of all gameplay on server. Because of the amount of time it can take to complete hard-core mode, players will only create NLs and BMs as the optimal party for hard-core BPQ is 5 NLs and 1 BM. The entire server is obsessed with washing just so that they can have this party composition and not 4 NL 1 DK 1 BM. That being said, I think that a custom boss to deal with the 'HT issue' is completely within the reach of this server. This server has never been a purist server -- The server is nostalgic just by being true to .62 gameplay, not by everything being exactly as it was back in 2008 or whenever. There is a reason GMS has had almost 100 updates since then to increase its longevity. It is not hard to imagine ways in which a custom boss could add to 'late-game' appeal while also not changing the way people approach the game. Here are just some ideas as to what the bossfight could look like: - Minimum level 185 to enter. - Have the boss hit for just under the amount of HP that NLs, BMs, and Corsairs would have with HB at level 185. Makes DK vital to boss. - Boss has enough HP so that soloing is never possible. I'm sure someone here would be able to figure out how much HP it would need for it to take 4 hours for 2 parties (12 people) to kill. - Boss uses Zak stun every few seconds, makes Bishops (Holy Shield) vital. - Boss only drops HT books, level 110 weapons, and maple leaves. The books could be made untradable to prevent sub-185s from getting them, and makes it so people have to participate to get their skills. You could even do really creative shit like: - Make the boss map really tall. To reach the boss platform, you must complete a jump quest. - At the bottom of the map are mobs that instakill you if you fall and miss a platform. - An NPC that can warp to a mob-less, boss-less JQ map just so you can practice. My point with this crazy shit is just so that the boss truly takes the place of HT. It shouldn't be something that can just be done spontaneously like Zak. It should be something that requires planning, preparation, teamwork, and hours spamming attacks and buffs (wouldn't be MS otherwise). It would be something fun that keeps people motivated, and then people would continue to do in order to help other players when they reach 185+. Obviously this would go straight to the bottom of the priority list, but I think people would be more motivated to stay on the server even if they knew that maybe by summer more late-game content would be released.
I think what he meant is that it would make Genesis 20 be impossible to obtain, since everyone is using them to make Genesis 30, which shouldn't be the case. 185? That's harder than HT lol....which brings us back to the problem of not having enough high level attackers. It should be 14x-15x pq.
I vote for a beefed up version of Zakum to obtain the books, since Zakum isn't glitched and HT is. Rather than waiting around forever for HT to be fixed, just make Zakum on a certain channel have lots more HP and there we go. My apologies if it's not as easy as that, I haven't got a clue.
I think HT should keep books like MW 20 or 30 to award those who have made it through the game far enough to conquer it. A necessity type book (like Berserk 30) should be implemented in another boss/mob. Maybe can we get chaos zak for the beefy zakum :3
I honestly would rather wait for HT. Moving skill books to other bosses just wouldn't feel right. Especially if we're keeping this nostalgic in game play.
KC has already mentioned before that with the .wz edits, we are hardly aiming for nostalgia anymore. Just keeping the game interesting for the player base, and honestly we need another boss to kill and HT is just not viable due to being bugged.
