It sounds like hell. And 185 is way too high... Even Royals' highest level is just 180 now. I really want my Aerial Strike to be maxed before I reach the end game. And what about the rest of the SP's from 160+? Should I just keep them until I reach 185? You need to give us at least the option to buy them. I think that it would be great if the level requirement was 140 or 145.
I'm guessing you're joking here? Since czak spams seduce, 1/1, etc more than HT, does more damage than HT, and has over 1 billion more HP than HT, and I think you probably know that, either you're joking or you're making a point that you don't want the books made easier to get? Anyway, some of these books are quite clearly very important, and it needs to be possible to get them, balanced with it remaining difficult. Beyond the whole fact of HT being bugged, It's not reasonable to expect to see him killed unless the server grows quite a lot from where it is now. I think the HT necklace itself is enough of a reward/incentive to kill HT. The books can/should be made available. Buying them or gach'ing them is waaaaaaay too easy, but I wouldn't mind some of the other suggestions - move them to a beefed up version of zak, lv 20 book fusings like Ty suggested (best idea so far imo), or some level 15X requirement PQ (this is the version I'm most against besides outright buying). I think my previous posts on the forum are enough to say I'm not a fan of things being made easy in the server, but there's a line between challenging, and impossible, and impossibility doesn't do anything for server longevity like challenge does.
I think a custom PQ with jacked up bosses is a solid route. Not only does it solve the book problem, but also creates new content for higher levels to strive to achieve, and you could also add extra goodies in there like Apples/Narcs and the like. Fusing of multiple lvl 20 books just makes you have to grind Zak, doesn't add anything new. A harder version of these bosses seems like it would be a fun new challenge.
lol I was not saying it had to be done exactly like that, just showing how you could do it so that it doesn't affect lower levels. We've had people get to 150 in a week at this point, so I personally think that being able to beat the hardest boss in the game at that level will result in the same problems as post-wipe. The issue with HT is largely an issue with seduce, but even with it working, seduce is what makes HT complex and challenging. Here is a guide to killing: http://labyrinth.omgforum.net/t243-the-ultimate-horntail-guide Even on GMS, they needed 4+ parties to kill. Logistical planning was still very important -- just because it would be hard to get 6 level 185s on at a time doesn't mean that it couldn't be done with advanced planning. Given how hard it was to get HT books in GMS, I think making a Zak with 10x HP really does not fill that role. Even if it takes longer to kill than HT, in my opinion that still would be much much easier. If you wanted to go down that route, you might as well just edit HT to not seduce, and even if you make the books untradable you'll have people getting tt and jenny30 at level 125. There are very few classes that "need" ht books -- tt and jenny 20 are still very good skills. (dks are fucked without zerk30 tho) I think that is a good point about the server size, two very high level parties is probably too ambitious for a server with 150 online players (versus thousands). I still think it should be very high level only but maybe killable by a single party.
The issue is that having shittons of HP is just tedious, not challenging. At .62 people didn't just spontaneously HT, and imo it shouldn't be possible to do that here either. My point is just that if we're going to go down the Boss PQ route, it should be more complex that the ones we've seen on other pservers. Really aside from DKs, most classes missing HT books are not being gimped. Sure they're not reaching their dmg potential, but they still are balanced with the other classes. The only classes that really are not balanced without their HT books are DKs and Marksmen, but we've already buffed sniped to help balance MM. And we've seen the complaints many times before about bishop reliance. With level 150 Gene 30, leeching will by far be the best way to grind (given the competition for BF/anego).
It could've work if we had a 6 players who reached 185. Right now, there is none. And I really don't like the idea of making them untradable. People are still gonna do hruns and will pay a big amount of money for them. Just like zhelm. I have to support UrbanJuggernaut. PQ is a great idea. It will also make the server look more custom and well-made.
One of the reasons to add this would be to create late-game goals. By making it accomplishable right now, we still have the problem of having nothing for the high levels to work towards. Don't get hung up over 185 -- I was just throwing a number out there. A 140 BPQ with good rewards will change .62 gameplay significantly. I'm all for custom bosses but I don't want the custom content to become the only thing worth doing on the server (like it is on Destiny). Yes, people probably will sell runs at some point, but allowing people to buy gene 30 at level 130 is a lot more game-breaking than at 180+.
I was thinking a BPQ where you fight juiced versions of Pianus>Papulatus>Zakum in that order and make it 150+, and requires each participant to have a Pianus/Papulatus/Zakum Certificate (Like you would need to HT). They can have more hp and do a bit more damage, whatever would be challenging to a full party of 15x+. Make each boss drop HT books/Apples/Narcs/NX/Maple Leaves etc. Actually Archmages suffer a lot, since they don't get the benefit of elemental weakness at Skeles like Bishops do. Dark Knights and Marksman also get the shaft pretty hard, as you said. Giving these classes their books would bolster their popularity and diversify. Leeching is already the best way to grind, even with only Genesis 20, so, nothing changed there.
Or maybe have HT in a custom map, afaik some of HT doesn't work. But the main buggy part of him IS THE MAP, as it DC's people. However at the end of pre-wipe, HT was spawned in a FM room and no one got the black pixels. And Genesis leeching is NO WAY the best way to grind. Even as an attacker, I get 70% of what Marksman (vesa) gets in 1 hour (if all the bigfoots are up) at skeles. Leeching would probably give me close to 40% of what Marksman gets. (and I one-hit 80% of the time) I get about 15% an hour at skeles on Hacker and around 10% on Dick. Compared to 3% per anego in 8 minutes in a duo (on Dick). BOSSING GIVES WAY MORE EXP THAN SKELES. Skeles is so over-rated, especially including how boring grinding at skeles is compared to bossing. The only terrible thing about bossing is that spawn isn't up 100% of the time, which isn't even a big problem since the server is so small (hence why we have a HT expedition problem). Whenever I log in, there is always a 50% chance that all the Anegos are up. THAT IS EXTREMELY GOOD.
A few things to consider: Aside from vacation time, most people on the server can only go online between a certain time interval each day. There are certain players who avidly kill BF/Anego and keep track of the timing so that they can be online when it spawns. For many players that log on for 1-3 hours at the same time each day, this happens to be when bosses when down -- This is complained about often in-game. Even in cases where the bosses do spawn within this interval, people wouldn't know when the last one was killed and you're essentially expecting them to camp out at the map until it is. Most players here are from the US. To say that you have no difficulty finding bosses on EU timezone, with a guild that often keeps track of boss-deaths, at a point when not many players can even kill it yet, does not really mean that much to the average player. Also, you must keep in mind that bossing at level 170 with a nearly perfect claw and godly equips is very different for a level 130 NL with no bishop funding. At Newties I get 80m exp/hr on my bishop, so I guess that's 40m exp on a leecher starting at level 105. So even if all bosses are up, leech is better until you can kill BF in less than 20 minutes and have HS. And finding bosses will only get harder as more people level up.
Don't make mastery books obtainable another way, especially not temporarily. Everyone just wants an easier route, which isn't how it should be.
There is a difference between an easier route and a impossible route. Right now the route is impossible. And this is not because we don't have the potential. And no one mentioned making it easy (besides the gachapon point). All these suggestions are hard. And atleast my point in this thread is that the community need something to look up to besides doing anego/bf + zak everyday for 6 months waiting for updates. A non-working HT isn't that motivational. And we are getting to the point to where people are quitting/getting bored in game, so we just need something to spice it up. Lots of people can kill BF in under 20 minutes when they were below level 140. i.e. Mike, Sean, Justin, Jon, etc And at level 140 the exp is about 50%, so that doesn't matter how long it takes, because it is worth it. It's really not that hard with decent equips. And if you have a bishop to leech yourself, then you usually have those equips. & you don't have to solo the boss. I mentioned "duo'ing". Before my current claw I would duo anego with Las when he was 130 and I was around 150 and it would take us around 15 minutes with a 66 attack claw. Sure it was time consuming but the exp is worth it in those levels. & I have been online for maybe 3 hours in the last week, for maybe 10-30 minutes each time and the anegos were up 40-60% of the time. Finding bosses is not that hard if you put the effort into it.
No. Pre-wipe it was to easy to obtain white scrolls and chaos scrolls; thus, people ended up getting end game gear easily and then got bored. Putting mastery books into the gacha will just be like handing them out, now instead of people running around with 133att bows people would be running around with MW30 and Gene30 which these should not be easily obtainable in the first place.
Did you read the rest of the posts in the thread? The overall consensus I have received from the thread is for it to be HARD but POSSIBLE atleast in the near future and to NOT come from gachapon. Edit: Also I think you mean MW20* MW30 is not in v62 unless you .wz edited it. & if you have then it's a drop from pink bean.
Just making sure, because I just felt like your post was a reply to the original post, where as the topic has moved on/gone a bit offtopic. I'm just trying to be realistic by stating that HT will probably not be fixed for a while (as the mechanics to the boss are not functioning 100% and the graphics issue is a massive problem, similar to the MAC Zak issue), so we need things to accommodate the server till then or people will get bored and leave, because it is literally anego+bf+zak or if you are a mage "skeles24/7". And these custom ideas whether they have HT books or not are good ideas. & if HT is something that is not going to be solved in the next six months, then maybe it is a good idea to start looking for other alternatives. This is just something i'm voicing so deeply because I have experienced the slowing down of royals, aswell as other people and I hear daily complaints on skype/ingame. Which is furthermore proven by recent breaks/quitting.
It's WAY to easy to reach 140, 155 is a bit harder. If there is any sort of level requirement make it 160+. By that time people should have most of their other books anyways. It would be nice if there were an alternative way of getting HT books that made it nearly as hard as HT. I don't really mind how it would be done, just that the books are available.
