HP Washing For New Players

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    Yes, that makes a lot more sense. Thank-you! :D

    P.S. I hope you get accepted as GM. ;)
     
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    I've been using method 1 and 2 for my archer. Method 1 gives me 16-20 hp gain while method 2 gives me a fixed 16 hp gain. Is there something wrong that I'm doing for Method 2? Understand that Method 2 should be the preferred method for archer...
     
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    It's understood that both methods give 16-20 for archers. The code reflects this assumption. Make sure to check your HP gains from Method 2. It's likely that the AP Reset shows 16, but you're actually, often, getting more to your actual MaxHP. Track you MaxHP. If what you say is true, then that will change the community's understanding of Archer washing. Please let me know what you find. <3
     
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    Ar... Okay interesting. didnt know that will happen. Because I have only noticed the "+16" when using AP Reset. Let me track my hp through a dozen or more ap reset using method 2 and see if I have any that goes more than 16.
     
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    So I'm making a new assassin which I plan on leeching completely. He's currently lvl 23 with 144 int. I got a little confused by the part where you said
    "Assassin: 140 INT
    Archer: 160 INT
    Gunslinger: 200 INT

    You should not exceed these optimal values.". Should I stop adding int into him now?

    Edit: nvm I'm wrong. That was including my equipment.
     
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    Correct. Once you've hit 140 Raw INT, don't exceed it unless you like spending money :3
    But those values only apply to assassin's wanting 9k HP.
    If you have other goals, use this equation to find your optimal INT.

    OptimalINT = 10*SqRt(MpNeeded/11)
     
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    Hello, thank you for this guide, it cleared up a lot of the questions I had.
    However, I was wondering for a Spearman, does it matter what level I start hp washing?
    I am currently level 51 and contemplating whether I should start now or at level 70 once I get my third job.

    Thank You
     
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    If you mean wearing INT gear, then do it as early as possible because it'll be cheaper.
    If you mean using AP resets to turn MP into HP, then you can do it whenever you want before your goal level, since you don't need to use the level up method.
    Just make sure that by the time you are at your goal level (ex. 155 for 9k HP), you gained enough extra MP (322MP) to turn into HP.

    I hope that makes sense. c:
     
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    Hey thanks for the help! Just took a real hard look at my hp when washing with the second method. It indeed works as it is coded, despite only showing +16. :)
     
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    good to know :D scared me there, for a sec haha
     
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    Turns out I was, stupidly, calculating the cost of AP Resets as 1m instead of 10m.
    I changed the relative costs section of the guide to reflect this xD
    The costs are around 4b, not 400m. woopsies. rofl
     
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    It is possible to get less mp than 14Xlvl+148
    I have 11 less mp than the min is but I can't use 1 more ap reset right now.
     
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    Yes. When your MP is below that minimum, you cannot use an AP reset.
    The formula is pulled from the code on when you're allowed to use an AP Reset on your MP. Therefore, you can go below that amount, but once you're there, you can't go any lower.
     
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    Just to clarify because I mess anything up. So I wanted to aim for a little bit more than 9k HP so I have 170 base int at lvl 37 as an assassin. At this stage, I can start MP washing but how do I know how many times I can MP wash? Sorry, been trying to get a clear picture before I invest those AP resets. Also how important is it to still have Int gear? Is it okay to sell it them to buy some resets?
     
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    INT Gear will save you money in the future, because it will cut down on the number of times you will need to MP Wash. INT Gear is always a great idea because you can sell it back at the end of the process.

    You can MP Wash as many times as you'd like. You just MP Wash as many times as it takes to hit your MP goal. This can be slightly difficult, because with all that INT, you will still be racking up 17MP per level, and be getting extra MP from Job Advancements, and an extra 1 washable MP per level on top of that.

    So either, you do all hte math, and figure out exactly how many times you're going to need to MP Wash in order to hit your goal, and do it just that many times. Ooor, you MP Wash til you hit near your goal, then you wait til your closer to your goal level, and MP Wash to fill in however much you need to. Since MP Washing requires Leveling Up to do, it can be hard to gauge how many times you need to do it without doing all the math.

    With 170 INT on your assassin, you'll rack up about 2353MP by level 155 to wash. That's 4278HP. Which will land you at about 8778HP. More if you have INT Equips.

    So you'll have to MP Wash only about 13 times to hit 9k, and more to hit above 9k. If you have INT Equips, you might not even need to MP Wash.
     
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    So if I'm willing to blew mesos, I can MP wash until I have an excess of ~2400 MP or whatever, then I can reset those points into luk so I can actually play without leeching or I can be cheap and not MP wash and play at 155?
     
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    basically.
     
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    Okay. I don't know if I am doing things correctly anymore.

    My current HP is at 2040, and my MP is at 1306.

    I'm currently level 63 with 115 base int and another 20 from int equips (I forgot to wear them 3-4 times).
    I HP washed 8 times (or so, I don't remember), before level 40.
    If I continue adding base int until level 69 (which would be 140),
    would I be able to reach 9k HP by level 155?

    Please let me know if you need anymore info.
     
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    you have 276 Spare MP, currently.
    You will build another 742, naturally.
    You plan on getting INT to 140, so you'll have about 1200MP from that.
    That's 2218 Spare MP by lvl 155.
    You need 2475.
    You'll just have to MP Wash like 20 times, and you're good.

    Feel free to check my math on that. I was going quickly, but that's about where it should be. Your Optimal Raw INT is 140, after all, so it makes things pretty simple. Just get your Raw INT to 140, and MP Wash as many times as you need to, and that will be your cheapest option.
     
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    Okay good. I didn't screw up too much yet.
     

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