Make AP resets untradeable and for sale by FM merchant for 10m each.

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    Reading nostalgia's thread, it only seems to reinforce my opinion that the monetization of the daily NX is bad for the server. It's too much money for doing nothing. And not that I give a shit, but it ruins nostalgia that you can be lvl 10 and instead of scrounging for drops and selling etc. just to buy potions (like it was), you can go buy an AP reset and boom you've got like 10m, which just overrides this aspect entirely.

    I propose, that we make them untradeable.

    BUT, to allow HP washing endeavors they would be sold by the smega/TP rock vendor for like 10m each. Good, the rich HP washers are happy. Nice meso sink.

    BUT, AP resets would still be available from the cash shop, you just can't sell them. Good, the not-so-rich HP washers and those who wish to use NX to wash are happy.

    Everyone's happy, except those who want free money every day.

    I think it's silly, and unhealthy for the server, that you can accrue so much wealth just from selling AP resets you get for free. I know too many people who just: Vote->Sell AP Resets->Buy Leech->Repeat.

    (To a lesser extent, I'd also suggest that gach tickets be removed from CS and made to be boss drops. But I know this is a bit more extreme and would need a lot of thinking through how it could be done.)
     
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    So in your point of view 4x exp it not-nostalgic too?

    I think the point of a PS is to be a easier than the official server, because the people who misses the nostalgia (like me) now has less time than 5 years ago (study, work, etc)
     
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    I don't think nostalgia is a valid argument at all as it is entirely opinion. As for resets, I think they're better off being CS only so they they're limited by the 8k daily NX, rather than being infinite and buyable anytime with easily farmed meso. That's just my opinion, though.

    Not sure what your problem with gach tickets is, especially since those can't be used until level 50.
     
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    To me this sounds like a good idea
     
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    Yeah, I'd rather them be CS only as well, but you have to give the people what they want, and I can't see this idea getting much favor without letting people get them when they want them.

    Like I said, I don't really care about the nostalgia thing, it just seems that a lot of decisions around here are made based around that notion.

    My issue with gach tickets is the same thing, it's money for doing nothing, which is my main gripe. I think they'd be better off as a boss drop, would help bring attention to bosses like pap or pianus. i.e. kill pianus and anywhere from 1-10 tickets drop, idk.

    I thought about rare drop from any mob, but I think that would just feed even further into the money making capabilities of mages.

    Almost wish I hadn't even mentioned nostalgia now lol, again, I don't really care about the nostalgia thing, it just seems that a lot of decisions around here are made based around that notion.

    I understand making things easier, but this is just getting stuff for doing nothing. And I really think it throws off the economy and gameplay.
     
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    Personally, I like the idea of having the item seller sell ap resets for mesos since buyers won't have to wait a long time for sellers who might only sell a few at item.
    The new players selling ap resets can always turn to shrine gach for pretty great and safe mesos.

    However, I disagree with the idea of having gach tickets become a boss drop or something else that's gameplay-only attainable (like grinding). Removing gach from the cash shop would put new players and players who don't have a lot of time to play at a huge disadvantage in terms of funding. If you can only play a couple hours a day for example, you will have to rely extensively on passive voting to be able to stay competitive in terms of getting new gear, upgrading, etc. But you could also use that passive cash to merch and potentially make even more money.

    I'm sure that not only would a lot of players start to quit due to the difficulty of funding, but less players will join or, especially, new players won't stay as long. This wasn't a problem in normal Maple since there were simply so many players there, but here, in a private server, it would likely cause a steady decline in the population over time.

    Ap resets have a pretty fixed money making potential, but gach tickets have a huge money making potential.

    Gach has a big impact on the economy, and because it's big money received for doing nothing, removing it would be a problem. If you make it really difficult for newer and infrequent players to make money, the already rich players aren't going to just start giving out money and great stuff for free. What would you do to fix the financial divide that's created?

    I feel that gach may be to mesos as exp rates are to levelling. The server had to be wiped when the rates changed, and it might need to be wiped if you make gach tickets unattainable with NX. I'm sure that's a situation to be avoided.
     
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    I totaly agree with you (AP part). doing this will decrease the amount of mesos in Royals (since that 10m goes to a NPC). which is good, since the economy seems pretty overpriced. not by the fact that AP Reset will be untradeble but by the fact the Gachapons will be more "purchasable". Gachas been more purchased, will decrease ws/chaos/other scrolls price (on my point of view) and the economy maybe retreat a bit.
     
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    I agree with "most" of what you write. the idea to make the AP-Resets untradable is good.
    but something is bother me that it can be bought from the NPC-guy so easily.
    need to be restricted somehow.
    some suggestions:
    - 1 AP-Reset daily (you can buy 1 ap each day)
    - 5 AP-Resets each level.
    - 20 AP-Resets each week.
    - only CS-item (JadenSmith propose)
    so if you figure out a good restriction its a vote "YES" here.

    the gacha idea i vote no.
     
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    Actually, this may backfire. Without NX being used towards AP resets that means almost all of it will go towards gacha which can be potentially worse. I'm not sure how to fix this problem, maybe decrease the NX per vote?
     
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    I agree with the addition of AP Resets to 'Albert the Item Seller.
    However not with all of your arguments.
    The reasons I would like to see it added are:
    • Mesos Sink
    • Ap Resets being treated the same as TP Rocks
    • Convenience
     
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    I honestly don't think more money towards gaching is a problem. It might lead to a slow price drop of the godly items, which might even out with the money spent on Albert? If weapons and armor do get cheaper this will mean the average mapler will have the ability to accumulate more good items. The godly items will remain in the hands of the perfectionists! That's just my opionion on it though!
     
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    There's a huge issue atm with godly items. There are way too many godly items in the game. Adding ap resets to an npc as a meso sink will make it so people gach more. Then there will be even more godly items in the game.I personally think that nothing should change when it comes to ap resets.
     
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    the issue here is not that people gets more godly items. thats actually nice. why should only a few have it? no, the issue is that the AP-Resets should be "exclusive" not something you can buy like a potion.
    im HP-washing and of course it would benefit me. i dont need to spend hours in FM asking for AP-Resets. but if it get available from the NPC, then its ridiculous easy. there need to be some kind of limits for that.
    and really think that most NX (if not all) should be untradeable.

    i think its a good idea to put the AP-Resets in the NPC. we know that HP/MP-washing is now something that a lot (if not all eventually) are using.
    so, its not a bad idea at all.
    another solution would be to make the AP-Resets (still untradeable) but much cheaper from CS. 1k each or something like a ticket.
     
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    To the people that are arguing that AP Resets are hard and should remain hard to obtain, I managed to get over 2000 during the surge when MP Washing was discovered relativity easily. Making them buyable via mesos just create an amazing and much needed meso sink and something that I've personal given a lot of thought of and think is much needed in the economy.
     
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    I don't quite understand why limiting the number of AP resets that can purchased from an NPC would be beneficial. The way I see it would just piss off a bunch of people because they can only lvl once per day if they are trying to mp wash which would make it even harder than it is now to gather AP resets. I also believe that making it a CS only item would be bad idea since it would limit the ap resets to about 5 per 2 days of voting, which means if your mp washing your going to have to wait 2 days just to lvl up once. Maybe it's just me but I would find it very frustrating if I can't lvl more than once per day or 2 days without compromising my character's end game HP
     
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    When suggesting something like this you have to look at the big picture. Godly items such as perfect weapons, 15+ atk shoe and cape, 20+ atk glove should all be very difficult to obtain. Currently they really aren't. Making ap resets available from an npc for mesos would make it so that everyone will be gaching. There will be a huge influx of white scrolls, chaos scrolls, Pgcs, bvms (or whatever they were replaced with), and perfect clean weapons. There is already a thread about the fact that the market has become saturated with godly items. This would only make that issue worse.
     
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    well if the majority of you things its good then i will accept that. maybe im thinking too much about it.
    so, if i "accept" your reasoning, then i ask something else:

    why make it 10M? i think 8M is better. i tell you why.
    right now you can buy it for 8-8.5M each (if you dont rush it)
    to make it more expensive and untradeable will NOT make it better for the people that are buying and dont have Billions of mesos.

    you say the reason for the NPC is to "stop" the selling-leeching-selling abuse.
    but we dont want to punish the "buyers" right?
     
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    HP Washing is suppose to be a luxury and should be kept that way. Making it cheaper would defeat the purpose of making this a meso sink.
     
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    I agree with Plenty that it would be a great meso sink, that along with a slight decrease in NX obtained from voting would be a great solution I feel like.
     
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    ok, so if the AP-Resets are untradeable and cost 10M each. + if we follow Fecesman solution of "less" NX to avoid exploding of gach-items.
    what about SP-Resets? they cost a lot and if we get less NX i will be too costly.
    if we gonna go the route of selling AP-Resets in NPC i think we should also think about what to do with the SP-Resets.
     

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