"She is simply on the rope barely talking and not touching monsters, which really bothers me." Literally loled when i read this, this has to be a troll you cant really take this serious right?? If anything this should be put under "wasting staff time" and the OP should be banned.
Or you know, just give him a warning to stop these pretty reports before handing out a ban. I understand that this specific player has been banned for what he/she thought was "innocently hanging on a rope", but in my opinion, banning this individual for "wasting staff's time" just sets a bad precedent. Soon we'll just see more reports on cases who people think "is just wasting staff's time". Some report abuse cases may seem like trolling, but it could be a legitimate report. Banning people for what may seem like "wasting staff's time" is not something I agree with, considering how quick people form their conclusions. Some people here are way to quick to see bans dished out. Edit: Dimitri has corrected me in that this specific individual had gotten a warning, not a ban when he/she was reported for hanging on a rope.
Just to clear things up, I don't think @ShortMaple actually has a problem with people hanging on ropes in his channel: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/i-w...warned-for-being-on-a-rope.58861/#post-312268 He was treated the same way and started making those ridicilous reports to prove a point. I think he proved it by the community finally reacting to his reports and hopefully making everyone realise how stupid those rules actually are. Honestly, I think the GMs have way too much influence in in-game events than they should. The server should be treated just like GMS/EMS was and the GMs shouldn't interfere much with the players unless it's actual harassment or racism.
Also want to put it out there that "wasting staff time" is only something that GMs would be able to decide. People can't report for it as it is purely up to the GM that is handling that particular case. I think there was one occasion where I had to ban someone who was not attacking on the map. He kept trying to talk to the mapowner even when the mapowner had asked to be left alone several times. I asked them to leave and then removed them from the map. I found out during the time he was gone that another GM had already had to remove him and warned him about harassing players before I even got there. That player came back while I was still there and came back to harass those people again. Considering that he ignored another GM's multiple warnings and removals + my own, I used GM discretion to ban them for harassment. Also wanted to note that I, and several other people, did inform the person who has been creating those reports to stop doing so as hanging on a rope is not a bannable offence. Also, I heavily disagree with you. I loved, and still love, the fact that GMs are so involved here and that I actually got the help I needed. I remember I wrote many support tickets in GMS, many of which never even received a response. Also, please note that while nostalgic and reminiscent of GMS, this isn't GMS. This is MapleRoyals and it is run very differently. TLDR: Hanging on a rope is not a bannable offence. Harassment is. Refusing to cooperate with a GM's decision - which everyone agreed upon signing up was final and binding - could be.
Hello. I am the guy who posted these reports. I know making these reports seems really ridiculous, which is why I did it in the first palce. I want people to know about this so we hopefully can either get some specific ground rules or simply just allowed to be present in other people's maps, even if they ask you to leave for no reason. As most of you guys I don't think harassment of any kind should be allowed. But being in a map that you don't own waiting for it to become empty or whatever reason should not be considered a problem. Even if it's a problem to the Mapowner I don't believe he should have any say in whether or not you are on his map. As long as you don't trashtalk/spam/loot or KS him. After speaking to multiple GMs I believe almost each one of you guys have your own idea of what's allowed and what's not. Your terms & conditions seem very vague on this subject, since it says nothing about this at all. The closest thing to this would be not doing what a GM tells you. But then again I don't understand why a GM would ever ask you to leave in the first place.
I've made a post on this matter before; the reason that I ask and move characters off of a map on request is because of cases in which people will send an ~gm message, I will arrive and the offending player will simply act AFK. Perhaps I am lenient, but in any situation I arrive at in-game when responding to KS reports, I give the offending player just one chance to leave the map and I'll let them go. When the player goes AFK in the manner that I've had happen before, I turn to the owner of the map and ask them whether or not they've got any evidence of killstealing. Previously, if they've answered no, I've had to make another choice; do I ban this player without evidence, or do I just leave? That's a pretty simple choice; I leave, because I can't ban with no evidence. And then the offending player goes right back to it as soon as I leave. It becomes a game of cat and mouse, trying to catch this player in the act. It's this concept that is why I personally move players off any map, AFK or not, if the map both has monsters and the mapowner wants them gone. I then further consider it harassment if they continually come back. I think that it's a fairly safe and simple method of dealing with the situation. Is there a ToS clause about moving players off of maps? No, there isn't. I do it in my discretion as a Game Master, in order to diffuse potentially negative situations. And to my knowledge, no player has been banned simply for not leaving a map. There was one that we overturned, I believe, but never one that stood. I hope this sheds some light on the situation of GMs moving players off of maps. EDIT: I want to add that if you as a mapowner do not mind other players being on your map, this particular policy or method that I use doesn't affect you in the slightest - don't ~gm, and I won't come and move them.
I get your point Michael. But the point is, in all these cases where I called GMs nobody was KSing. And when I was kicked out of a map myself I wasn't KSing or even touching monsters at all either. I was simply hanging on the rope barely talking. I can't see how it would ever be considered harassment to be present in a map.
Like I said above, it's not harassment, and that's why you weren't banned. You were kicked out of the map to prevent anything negative from happening. It was a precaution, and if it cost you some of your time walking back to the map, I'm very sorry. I advise you in future to please attempt to sit in the Free Market or on a map where the owner does not mind your presence to avoid being moved again. I'd like to think that sometimes, a bit of proactivity goes a long way.
@xFriZx Nicely worded! I agree completely I love meeting new people and that usually happens by others looking for the map us mages leech in :]
It was clear to ME that it was a troll and he was trying to prove a point when he wrote the same exact words TWICE, in 2 different reports, if you honestly take that seriously considering what the report is for then I really don't know what to say....
that's one of the pettiest reasons to get someone banned, and that's coming from a person who doesn't agree with the idea of map selling whatsoever. stay on the topic of the thread, which is the presence of petty reports. (check yourself please...) Now looking back at all this, ShortMaple's reports seem to be a bitter attempt to point out the GMs' varying views on map ownership and ultimately, how its interpretation can be skewed due to how "vague" the rule is. I personally don't find the terms and conditions to be vague at all, but I agree that each GM seems to handle the situations differently despite its clarity. The rule in question being: "5. Engage in rude, unlawful, harassing, vulgar, obscene, hateful, threatening, abusive or otherwise objectionable behavior, including, without limitation, looting, kill stealing, making sexual comments; Punishment: 1st offence - 3 day ban, 2nd offence - 7 day ban, 3rd offence - permanent ban" None of which is violated by a person who is afking or waiting in a map, to hopefully take over the map once the original owner leaves because this is among one of the ONLY ways to get a skele map these days apart from it being handed over to you by a friend or map seller. In Michael's case, I understand that it's frustrating to have to "chase" around potential offenders of the mapowner rules, but I still don't think it's justified to move a player off the map simply to avoid potential conflict because the player went afk/fake afk. GMs have the power to enforce the rules, but the reporting player should take the responsibility of gathering proper evidence if the loitering player is actually harassing them, and THEN call for a GM's assistance/ report the case. It's really not that hard to either... Just take a few screenshots, pretty much any computer is capable of doing this.
In all of my time here, I don't think I have ever really disagreed with the decisions of the Staff (that I can remember). Until right now. The fact that standing in a map waiting for it to become free, or standing in it and talking to a friend (when neither the player or the friend own the map) counts as harrassment and is punishable is frankly outrageous to me. MapleRoyals is a social, online multiplayer game after all, and if you can't stand the presence of other players, perhaps you should be playing a different game. How else are you supposed to find a free channel on a map that's very popular? You can't expect and rely on stumbling upon one by pure luck. The decision to disallow this feels like it was taken by someone who spends far too little time in the game itself, and like ShortMaple said, the T&C really say nothing at all about this supposed rule.
Unless if I'm otherwise mistaken, no one who has just been "standing in a map waiting for it to become free" has been treated as a harasser or been punished apart from being removed from the map at an attempt to resolve the situation. I'm not sure if I personally agree that they should have been removed but I wasn't present at the map so its very hard for me to judge the situation. In the case of " standing in it [the map] and talking to a friend", if this is the only motive, there is no reason that this can't be done in say the FM. I think in most cases the mapowner doesn't mind if this occurs but in the few cases where they do, what reason do you have to not be nice and just vacate the map? Players can get paranoid about people being in their map especially with the existence of things such as 'door dc' (which we are working on) and although you may find it unacceptable that they are telling you what you can and can't do, maybe some empathy would do some good. On the flip side, I would encourage people to not force people out of their maps if they are genuinely not disturbed by their presence as this is not the intention of the mapowner command and petty reports like this are a waste of everyone's time. It is incredibly easy to keep ownership of a map and if you are the victim of ksing/door dc abuse, that is a completely different case and will be handled accordingly
I think we're twisting words a lot here, not once have we said that hanging on a rope is punishable nor that it counts as harassment. In fact we have mentioned several times that it's not against the rules at all, however if a player is on someone else's map and being significantly disruptive we consider taking action in the form of asking the player to leave or if that request gets denied we would consider moving them by force. I want to mention here that Short has not only made ridiculous reports on something that isn't bannable, he also twisted reality a lot in his replies making it sound as if we do things we haven't done. An example would be the report that I dealt with where he said I kicked the player out of the map, while in reality I didn't take any action at all other than asking if the player could consider leaving the map since the mapowner felt disrupted by his presence. The player didn't argue with me nor did he ignore my request or anything, he left on his own.
Also want to put it out there that i said "If anything this should be put under wasting staff time" and not " This is wasting staff time" , this was a point of view, not a statement, i am well aware i do not have the power to ban someone , and i do not seek this power, friend.
