Closed Ban Appeal

Character Name: XiaoViper/XiaoAnaconda
Last thing you did: Chilling in fm
Why do you think you got banned?: ^^ no idea.
Ban message when attempting to log in: Your acc has been temporarily banned for glitch abuse
What GM banned you (optional): TimK

 

You and your party got caught discussing and attempting to abuse a time leap glitch to gain an infinite duration of smokescreen, thus you're banned for 3 days for having done so.

 

Ok fair statement on catching me abusing timp leap glitch to enable my party members to gain an infinite duration of smokescreen. No matter what the outcome of this ban appeal, I will still gladly accept it as it all meets the punishment in accordance to the mapleroyals T&C

But,this overall incident have enable me to reflect on a few questions which I feel the increasing or rather the many of people who have done these following stuff(related to glitches) even in the presence of gm's playing account in some of the runs they were in before and not facing any consequences as stated in T&C. I'm just really curious for at least a gm/admin to clear my following below doubts.

1) TL glitch for unlimited Super transformation - Concerning of many buccaneers that played in this game, it has often been used by many buccaneers esp in bosses like ht.(I do not really need ti quote names as it is actually a common situation out there; I believe you do witness it before on not only me, but other bucc as well who uses this esp in ht boss runs.) So what will be outcome of this? Is this a bannable item in regards to this TL glitch? I feel this should be importantly addresses to as many ht boss parties which always experienced this whenever a buccaneer is in the party. If Im banned for using TL in general and not just on my case on infinite duration of smokescreen, then I feel this case should be look upon at other bucc as well who has been doing it always.

That will brings me to my 2nd point.

2) In the past, there had been cases of people in many other boss runs abusing unlimited holy shield(due to seduce/stun that can be avoided throughout the whole run). However,this has already been resolved since the ability of holy shield of preventing stun & seduce has been removed since then. So if i am banned for abusing tl for infinite duration of smokescreen, why the double standard for those who have abused it(holy shield) during that period of time? From what i heard, a warning was only issued for the holy shield case before. Shouldnt those people be re-looked again as stated in the T&C. (1st time - 3 days ban)

3) A separate issue(but still linked to possible glitch)- Kissing the wall at ht pre heads to eliminate "blocked weapon att" on it - Im pretty 100% sure even many gm's playing account do this whenever pre ht head casted blocked weapon att( 1/1) and so do many ht boss run parties do it too. So is this suppose to be a glitch that is to be highlighted and looked upon to those party members who had/have/having to do this?Is this considered as another ban item?

"As accordance to the Mapleroyals T&C, exploit errors in design, features which are not documented and/or bugs to gain access that would otherwise not be available or to obtain any competitive advantage will result in

Punishment: 1st offence - 3 day ban, 2nd offence - 7 day ban, 3rd offence - permanent ban"

Overall to sum up, for the above these 3 points/questions, it seems that many players including gm playing accounts are somehow involved before in those 3 scenarios that have again and again been happening but why are they not facing the same consequences that I have rightfully been serving it(punishment). I know some of the people might ask for evidence ie time of occurence, who(ign) etc,but I dont really need feel the need to address that as 1) that will provide me the extra burden/troubles to do the complied list of people that did that; i will rather use the time to do other things as is important 2) I believe the capability of log files/ playback files of the game for gm/admin investigation of glitches issues are there to support it?

Also, im sure some will ask why I question on these 3 points(glitch related) I have said is basically
1) To clear out confusion to all in game(esp to fellow buccaneers) on whether is there the different exceptions of "claimed-glitch" that is currently present in many of the boss runs(ie ht runs) ?

2) If so, why is it not stated in the T&C in regards to different exceptions of "claimed-glitch" being done? It does looks to me according to the glitch section in T&C, a glitch is still a glitch? Why there to split to so many different exception? Is is the time to review the T&C include those different exceptions "claimed-glitches" in T&C

3) If the above 3 points are really as considered a glitch that will trigger a ban as stated in T&C, as to say again, why the double standard for those who have done? Is it time to look back on the log files/replay files to execute punishment in accordance to the many list of players who have done it.

Appreciate if you/other gm/other admin could help me clear off my confusion and also hope this could help to clear off misunderstandings of the T&C and also the justified reasons for not banning people who have committed either/all of the above 3 points before.

Thanks & Regards,
XiaoViper
Ray

 

As has been stated in other threads when claims of GMs breaking rules are made, bring it to mine or another admin's (or if you think an admin is abusing it on their legit, bring it straight to Matt and/or myself) attention and we will look into it and handle the situation as necessary. However, without any proof of GMs abusing glitches (the double standard you claim), we cannot do anything.

 

So no worries about that... I will sure bring forward on the mentioned issue(on the 3 glitches-related stuff) no later than sooner to you and/or matt. Will also indicate the particulars of people involving the ht squard runs I went regardless public/private run that I joined the past few months and also my bl/guildmates/friends/strangers/other ht squards who I know of that they went but I did not go and might/confirm/highly possible be in suspicion of doing either one/all of the 3 mentioned glitches before.( Im pretty sure almost all ht squard party members committed the "claimed- glitch" No 3 at the least that I previously mentioned)

Well, you are right to say without any proof of gms abusing glitches,you guys cant really do anything. But in actual fact, I dont even need to provide any since at one of the admin control tools(which you guys properly used it to settle autoban issue due players op dmg etc), aka the LOG FILES can prove that. If LOG files are not as an indicator of a tool to prove and totally 100% rely on screenshots/videos to then trigger punishments to be executed, then I feel like relating the below scenarios( ie bringing real life to context) and totally defeat the purpose of having log files which you guys can used for investigations.

"GM/admins are like the police of the game"

Real life Police - Investigate through reported cases regardless whether there's sufficient/insufficient of evidence. E.g. you cannot expect victim/ppl who reported the case to know who exactly break in their house and steal everything.(Given the assumption there is no CCTV at their house) since he/she is not even at home. However, Victim/ppl who reported the case can assist in the police by providing necessary information that can help the police(ie period of time they are not in the house, which neighbour was present around the neighbourhood when he/she is not present). After that, police make use of the what is being stated via the victim/ppl who reported the case's statement to investigate further(ie ask around the neighbors who are claimed to be at home during the period to be as witness, given the fact that there is witness to prove that there's somebody that committed via their own eyes without the usage of CCTV(s) at home to even need to showcast as evidence to prove that person who is guilty of committing the crime.

Relating back in game context regarding this case:

LOG Files are there to use for as a tool to prove. At my side of my end(relating to the rl scenario I explained), I will provide with that privately( as what I have mentioned earlier in this post in bold and underlined) to you and/or matt. What you guys could do with the LOG files are basically further investigate as a result to check and look on the various time occurrences of :
1) TL being used in buccaneers , and the skill keep on casted there after(ie holy shield during the period of time(as mentioned in point 2 in previous post) & smokescreen by certain party members) w/o the need to tl again. To check on the chat logs to further prove that theres indeed discussion(ie " TL me so that to get infinite skill(holy shield/smokescreen") privately to u guys. Same thing goes to say for benefit of non-stop super transformation.
2) As mentioned in bold and underlined earlier in this post, relating to point 3 of the claimed glitch, to look on the time occurences of parties cancelling/eliminating weapon att block vs the minimum time of ht weapon att block will go off naturally w/o using the kiss off wall glitch <---Just randomly pick any ht squard, Im sure almost all ht squard in this server has done it; can even pick any of it from recently till 1 year ago to check on.


As to emphasize again, if screenshots/videos are the only tools to 100% needed to prove this issue and if theres isnt any, thus nothing can be done by u guys and neglecting the fact of the LOG files can also be treated as a tool to prove, and in practically, GM/admin shouldnt be as descirbed as "Police of the game", then bringing in rl context, there's no need for those rl polices to take down claims/reports from the person/victim who reported cases seriously to aid their further investigate.If thats the case,those rl police should just shake legs and let the people/victim who reported to investigate the whole situation their own and till they are certain to conclude a particular person is guilty of committing the crime. Therefore, relating back to the game, this kind of work process to prove something wrong is rather harshly to say a fluke, and rather to say gm/admin are just a "Validation machine" rather than a "Professional Validation Personnel" to prove something wrong with only SS and videos,thus neglecting the fact that LOG Files are there to check on.

(Just for jokes) If just seems like the below quote if thats the case in the minds of a Validation machine? Why for then need to have gm/admin to act like a validation machine whereby you can just programm a system to always prove something that is obviously wrong and can bee found it clearly in LOG Files. No need to waste resouces( ie gm wasting their time to come down their own to settle issues)
[QUOTE=" if (screenshots = 0) || (videos = 0)
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gm/admin_actions = 0;
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Jokes aside...

For your upmost sincere and serious consideration of those 3 "claimed-glitches" which you hope that I could bring up to next level(senting the particulars of people via privately),

Regards,
XiaoViper
Ray

 

In addition to my above 3 claimed glitches as highlighted above, I will also like to quote another known glitch. For your guys investigation. Particulars to be sent to u guys privately.


"2 warriors - mm glitch to eliminate block weapon att"


Regards,
Ray

 

Is this where we say we don't have log files for everything? Because we really don't.
The reason to why we don't have these kind of logs is pretty simple: Log files of players looting items or players using skills would be huge files and would fill up the server's harddrive really quick, that being said we don't have the server write those logs for that very reason.

 

If there's the case, kindly explain why auto ban system can have its own "log files" that can track players skills that is being casted( ie via skill ID along with time of occurences)?
[As reference from https://royals.ms/forum/threads/ban-appeal.58239/#post-311548)
Through all the ban appeal I see, it seems like auto ban has proven to be an inefficient implementation as it has quite of number cases of wrongly banning of people even if they did it in a legit way.
[As reference from https://royals.ms/forum/threads/auto-ban.64841/)
So do the log files of auto ban system take up lots of the server's harddrive too? Why the hell is it still there despite the fact is its proven to be an inefficient implementation and still taking up the harddrive space ?

Although I do have some doubts about what you just said, to say that there isnt any implementation of these logs just because of only the server harddrive taking very quickly as a reason, I feel its really not valid at all, given the fact that this kind of solution could be use in aid of deciding on whether he/she really do glitches(via time occurences & skill ID)?And will really show loopholes of it how things is gonna be track when no one/no programmable system is actually monitoring in the activity of glitches.

So by saying so, this game just defined something to it(regarding glitches). That is: " You can do anything(be it legit/illegal), but dont get caught!" Is this what the game is trying to say since the game management have decided to look on the importance on not making the server harddrive to be filled up fast is in more high priority than the importance having an alternative programmable system to have the LOG files to monitor these glitches related activities?

So you mean in other words as well that theres isnt any solution right now to tackle the issue of what you just mentioned("Log files of players looting items or players using skills would be huge files and would fill up the server's harddrive really quick")? This actually invites me to another question? What has happened to the purpose of donating which is help to maintain the running of the server?(which I believe money can be invested in the area of the server harddrive given if the issue you mentioned of filling up of the server's harddrive really quick.)<---Be it replacing it/ maintaining it even if really the log files of looting items or players using skills is being implemented to it.
[As reference from donating T&C:

Donating Terms & Conditions:

• All money recieved by MapleRoyals is put towards various expenses related to the running of the server.
• Our current expenses total approximately £1500.00 per month. ]

 

I too have some doubts about your understanding of how a server works, and quite frankly I'm not going to put a lot of time and effort into explaining it to you either.
To keep it short I'll just say that the server detecting the usage of a skill and the damage dealt by that skill is not the same thing as the server writing a log file for this. That's all I've got to say about it for now.
As well that I want to mention that this discussion if you wish to continue it should not be done so in this thread as it's no longer related to your ban's appeal.