Political Theory GO

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    Ah I missed that one

    He did inherit his father's business, but he has been running it on his own for awhile now and it's still successful, so I don't think the credit he has received is completely undue to be fair. Also, he did start out on his own with a small loan from his father, which he repaid with his own profits. So really, he inherited his father's business, but it became part of the business he had already established on his own, so I would say it's more of a case of an existing snowball being rolled into an even bigger one rather than one being made for him to grow.

    I do agree that Kasich probably would have been the best pick for the GOP, but I do think with the recent "riots" at Trump rallies, people are just demonstrating Trump's point that the population has gotten out of control and needs to be led by someone strong handed like he appears to be. Again, time will tell.
     
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    Then why don't you go ahead and say it then. I'm not going to discuss with someone who won't even reveal their own position lol, you don't just get to "continue to see what you project and hope to see in the world :)" and just heckle me with false information, never substantiating anything, I'm not your little class experiment lmao.

    He's a failed businessman, he's have more money if he had put that 1 mil in a savings account. He himself has benefitted, but NOT his businesses, it's about him. You really want him to turn america into another Trump hotel or Trump university? One being a scam (source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432010/trump-university-scam) and the other never turning a profit (source: http://fortune.com/donald-trump-businessman/)? Look it up, it's true.

    But I guess Trump supporters don't ever listen to the facts much, CONSIDERING ONLY 8% OF WHAT HE SAYS IS "MOSTLY TRUE" (source: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/)

    Aww, did you also think Obama the muslim terrorist was going to take your guns too? And I'm the one without a brain...

    But I'm not going to waste my time debating a gun toting trump supporter on a maplestory forum. Have fun with your polisci degree to validate your own misguided views.
     
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    He might appear to be "strong handed", but he constantly can do nothing more but employ straw man arguments and personally assault his opponents, refuses to debate sanders, and continues to show that he is thin skinned and throws tantrums when receiving attacks similar to those he deals out on the daily.
     
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    I would argue all political candidates have made nothing but straw man arguments. Personally assault? I've never seen him lay hands on any of his opponents, do you know something the rest of us don't? If you mean verbal assault, again, I would say his opponents are going after HIM a lot more than he's going after them, but that's a purely subjective opinion either way.

    I do agree it does not look good for him to be willing to debate Sanders and then pull out after Sanders accepted. His rationale of "I'm the nominee and I only should be debating the nominee for the other party" makes tons of sense... but only if he had said so before agreeing to debate Sanders/used as his justification to not agree to a debate with him.

    I'm not sure he's thin skinned but more appealing to the people. There are lots of people throughout the US who have been afraid to say how they truly feel about many social issues that Donald Trump has just come out and said point blank. I think that is why there is such a level of support and the amount of support he has behind him is something many experts are surprised to see, because they didn't realize how many people have been holding back their true thoughts and feelings on a variety of issues. Trump or his campaign seems to realize that and continues to play to those people as they likely feel it is an untapped demographic that other politicians typically don't cater to.
     
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    First week organizing for the Democratic party in an entirely foreign state to me. Got overloaded with the work and needed some distraction. Great to see that even when I try to escape politics I'll find it somewhere I entertain myself lmao

    @Legend
    My thoughts right now: This is the weirdest election process I've ever witnessed/studied. I too was a Poli. Sci. major and to go through multiple courses, research seminars, and internships where you learn to have some faith in government, I really don't have any right now.
    We've got a Republican party that is in such a weird and unique place right now because of a likely nominee that is so brazen with the way he orchestrates... everything.
    We've got a Democratic party that (and despite working for the DNC) has two vulnerable candidates that are shrouded in controversy (from Benghazi to Bernie's "Social Democracy").

    Regarding what I'd like to see moving forward: A more intuitive Hillary. Realistically, she will win the nomination. Polls have her pretty close to Trump in terms of a Presidential standoff, so I'd like for her to heal those self-inflicted wounds that hurt her campaign early on and to be more concrete about policies she has been both for and against.

    On another note, so bored out here that Royals is going to have to make its way back onto my laptop!
     
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    Sorry, I meant personal verbal attacks/assaults. As in, he never attacks anyone on actual policy or anything with relevance/substance, it's either insulting ted cruz's wife or calling Hillary a whale or something of that nature.

    My point is, he appeals to the most uneducated, prejudiced, xenophobic, angry and racist (the KKK has endorsed him. source: http://www.snopes.com/2016/05/02/klan-leader-endorses-trump/) demographic in America, and I guess it's working. He stands for hatred and divisiveness.
     
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    Why is your source a website operated by liberal media?
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    You DO know the liberal media is biased and will lie about anything to push their views, correct?

    Also, if Trump is a failed businessman, then how the hell does he have all this money and all these still functional businesses? A few bankruptcies out of a hundred or so businesses doesn't mean he's a failed businessman.
     
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    Then what does that make Fox news then lol?

    http://indy100.independent.co.uk/ar...ow-if-hed-done-nothing-since-1974--b1lhFdzt_g

    He was given a million dollars to work with, thats how. If I had been given a million dollars, put it in saving and forgot about it, I'd have more money than him. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, or maybe he has less because he is disadvantaged as an orange person. Name a successful and "functional" business he has. And some sources for your info while you're at it.

    For everything they determine false, they have a full explanation for, go ahead and look at it, it's not opinion. They regularly call out Hillary and Bernie spewing false information as well. Politifact is well respected and regarded as very reliable, if you knew anything more about it other than a snippet from god knows where, it's not exactly "liberal media". Trump just says a lot of stuff without thinking lol.

    nice meme though.
     
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    cant tell if sarcasm

    politifact is an independent nonpartisan news organization. Meaning that they are not beholden to any government, political party or corporate interest. Obviously comparable to Fox News.

    Edit 2: ninja'd by jayden
     
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    He got that from a website that claims politifact is bias because, on average, they determine republicans to be false more often than democrats. Which is... well I don't even think I need to explain why thats illogical.
     
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    Politifact is a traditionally more liberal leaning news source, while Fox News is a traditionally more conservative leaning news source. The key for EVERYONE is to read "news" and stories written by both liberal and conservative news outlets and determine the facts from what is presented to them as well as their own research. Naturally, I tend to read more conservative news, but with the pervasiveness of liberal media in the US, it usually isn't too difficult for me to find the same story in a liberal news outlet and read how they present the topic. It's quite interesting to analyze, and to read research done by think tanks and independent research organizations as to which networks are more trusted vs which networks are more factual in their reporting.
     
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    Was just about to post that^
     
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    You'd be very, very surprised.
     
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    Can we cut it out with the memes and videos and actually just have a civilized conversation comparing and contrasting our views? That was the OP's point in making this thread. Not for people to bash each other and those who they support in the 2016 US Election.
     
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    No, I'm not. There are obviously some people who believe them, just as liberals believe liberal extremist news sources :^^^)
     
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    I don't feel like I'm bashing anyone o_O

    The video I posed is quite civil too
     
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    It was ME(me)
     

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