[Feedback] Nature of Rules and Ban Appeals

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    Let's analyze the case point by point:

    1. Malicious intent: Brian was logging into the account by accident. Sometimes, people make accounts with users like fatcat1 and fatcat2, and Brian happened to give away fatcat1 (which is not allowed), but it was a blank account and in all due consideration, he did not have any ill intention and was in fact trying to help the other person (foolish, he admits).

    So if he types in fatcat1 by accident, and all of them have the same password, boom.

    He has not actually possessed any ill will by trying to log into that account.

    If you'd want to punish him, then the infraction should be better defined as "unauthorized account ownership/transfer" rather than "account sharing".

    2. Extent of harm done: Nothing, really.

    3. Player's attitude: Admittedly, Model did not explain his case in the best possible way. However, the vibe you get from the appeal is that it was a sufficiently genuine mistake, and he wishes for the staff to understand that. He could have emphasized more on all the above arguments that I wrote, but do consider that it is emotionally difficult to do so especially if someone were to be in his predicament.

    So, because he did not possess malicious intent, nor really do any harm to the server, it is probably #3 that is the issue. However, the reason I cited #3 as a factor is because we get these idiots and trolls who say "I HACKED UNBAN PLZ" and clearly, this is not one of the cases.

    He could have improved by being more explicit with what he did wrong, what he didn't do wrong, and suggesting that he would improve in future and be more responsible.

    This case really boils down to carelessness rather than real toxic activity, which was why most people here felt that it is not justified. At the very least, carelessness is logically not worth a perma ban at all.

    The rules are a guideline for most standard cases of infractions. Doing so would be like taking the Bible or Qur'an literally. It is not meant to applied rigidly in every single case because ironically, it would actually be unfair, rather than fair, if done so because each and every case is different.

    Even in real life, the charges dealt by the law are not pegged to one specific punishment. Which is why people go through trial (mirror this to the ban appeal), and the court modifies the punishment to the severity of the guilty charges (from a $1000 fine + jail term -> $1000 fine for instance).

    Are we really saying that because the court has fully considered the case from both the defendant and the plaintiff, that by adjusting the punishment to its appropriate degree it is being biased/playing favourites?

    Likewise, as I said earlier, if the staff team arrives at decisions that are backed by strong logic and sensibility, most of us either agree or disagree and explain our sides. We do not simply mudsling for no apparent reason. The more immature players may not understand or agree, and start throwing accusations, but there is no reason to regard anything they say with much importance.

    Ask yourself and your conscience. Has this ban really successfully served the purpose of achieving this "fair" environment that you and the staff strove for. In reality, the majority of the players feel that this ban is ironically unfair because applying the rules across the board without interpretation is probably anything but fair.
     
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    If we are going back to that single case again... I must say I found the whole story entirely suspicious. I do not really understand why you would make an account for somebody else. (That is against the rules in itself). I don't understand why the new owner of the account did not change their password. And then you have how he account was banned for hacking and the attempted 'accidental' login to the account. I feel that the ban is fully justified. Oh and I'm pretty sure that user has also been previously banned for profane language (I think 2 times?) And would have gotten permanently banned anyway for the continuation of it in the FM recently.
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    However, I'd rather we stay on topic rather than continuing to talk about a single users ban.
     
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    Br1ng Br1@n B3ck P1s. H3 h@s 2much Sw3g. W3 c@nn0t @ff0rd 2 l0s3 such @ gr3@t p1@y3r 1yk3 Br1@n!
     
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    I'd just like to point out a couple of things.

    1. Model didn't make the account for someone else. He said that it was originally his and that he gave it to his friend.

    2. I personally have a few accounts that are [accountID]1, [accountID]2, etc. and used the same password for them at one point. It's entirely possible that this is the case, and have 'accidentally' logged into my own accounts.

    I can't say that it's entirely suspicious. A few friends know a lot of my common IDs, and some do know passwords, or can easily guess them. While I don't actively go sharing my information, I'm not trying overly hard to keep it a secret. This may just be the case here, and from personal experience it's not exactly fishy. It's me just being lazy, and trusting/assuming my good (real life) friend wont dick me over.
     
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    I think account sharing should be the persons fault if they lose their items mesos or get banned, because of their friends actions. I think it's a bit extreme yes he may have broken the rules, but a PERMANENT ban for logging on another account. If you guys truly believe account sharing is wrong, then I believe the player should maybe receive a timed ban such as 3 days rather than taking it to the extreme with a permanent ban.

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    Closing this thread then.
     
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    Some threads really aren't the right place for silliness such as 1337/txtspeak...
     
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