GMs being biased towards non-donators.

So me being a new player in this server, ive encountered some nasty people.
Like every normal player i'd report those behavior on the forums, abuse section.

Having my report rejected twice instantly, i spent my last two days browsing the report section.
Well well, I see many reports going through with reasons even more dumber than mine.
So I let that slide, but more and more reports are being made, and a guy even reported the guy I REPORTED.
Instead of the GMs closing his thread straight away like they did to me, they even asked him " ARE YOU OFFENDED BY THEIR REMARKS?" .......what? Do people just report because insults and racism are funny stuffs? haha? ha..
Or simply put he got the extra privillege of a donator?
I let that slide too, I keep browsing. I come across more threads by donators.. GMs even replied to their threads. Ha, not surprised anymore.

Well since this is the feedback section, I felt like i might as well since im still annoyed
Just saying, if you really want money that bad, atleast provide great services to those who dont donate. Cause y'know... I was about to throw in some ££.
Im done with this game's GMs. Community isn't too bad tbh.

Not going to bother putting screen shots, check out the abuse section if you're really interested
Its quite funny seeing people getting banned for defame, when defame doesnt even matter LOL..
but y'know being called "wide screen eyes" and "your name sounds like asian dog food" is not as important as being defamed.

 

You do realize that being a GM is completely voluntary and that they don't get paid right? So I don't see how giving special treatment to a donator would benefit a GM. As for the defames, if a person were to defame someone else 3+ times, it constitutes a ban for harassment. That's just how the rules are on this server. I've been playing this server for over a year and I've only just donated a few days ago. Before that, I always received the help I needed from the staff here without spending a dime, and they handled everything wonderfully. Perhaps your reports on certain players simply didn't fall under any serious violation of rules, which is why the staff handling your report decided to not take action. Overall, from my experiences as a former non-donator, I know that GMs don't give donators any special treatment compared to non-donators.

 

That's all I have to add to this discussion, I nor any other staff members care whether a player is a friend, a donator or completely unknown when it comes to dealing with threads or any other staff related business.

 

Sounds to me like confirmation bias. I snoop around report abuse quite often and never noticed a pattern when it comes to donors and non-donors.

 

Then explain to me why the GM would have to ask "are you offended?" on a report abuse. Of COURSE theyre offend LMFAO.
Confirmation bias or not ^ that says it all.

And note I didnt say ALL GMs.

Maybe you should revise the rules for defaming, I know for a fact Defaming isnt going to kill someone, but Racist remarks will. #JS

 

I'm sorry if you feel that way. I've only reported twice. One was privately to one of the GMs by starting a conversation because I didn't want that person to harass me in-game if he found out about it. The other report I made was posted on 'report abuse' section and both times the person I reported was banned fairly quickly.

I myself don't see any discrimination between people who have donated and who haven't. I've seen many ban appeals / report abuse threads where donators & non-donators were treated equally.

And about the defame -part. Even though it's not really used for anything (though some armor requires 20 fame) some people buy fame to reach a nice number. Some are competing to get to the top 10 list: https://royals.ms/?page=rankingfame
Some people mass defame for no reason or out of spite. Think about it. You're buying 10 fames for 1m each and then someone decides to mass defame you 10 times. You basically just lost 10m.

 

I've been playing on this server for about 3 to 4 months and I honestly have never encountered whatever bias you're talking about. Take a look at the ban appeal section. There, donors are constantly using the fact that they've donated as an argument for their ban to be lifted and not once did any GM to my recollection lift the ban for that reason. This, in itself, shows that GMs aren't biased at all to the donors, as they remind them constantly that donating to the game is a choice that remains independent of affecting a person's game play and everyone is subject to the same rules.

With regards to your report that you had made earlier, I do believe that the people were being rude in the sense that they were making fun of your IGN. However, it doesn't help that you had accused one of them for attempting to steal your map by saying "nice bait". (Which under the mapowner system, shouldn't even be possible because you'll have ownership for 3 minutes and trading whatever amount of mesos would take much less than that.) On top of that while it was rude, in my eyes it wouldn't qualify as a harassment case because it was simply two statements being said, of which it could be interpreted that you were encouraging them by telling them that your IGN "is supposed to sound funny" then afterwards telling them that you reported them. (Not sure if you did this, but according to the screenshots you provided, you didn't.) But had you asked them to stop making such allegations or comments about you and your IGN, and they went on to ignore your request and continue to make such comments, then that would qualify for a harassment case.

 

From what I can tell you are comparing the following two threads to each other:
https://royals.ms/forum/threads/verbal-abuse.74828/
https://royals.ms/forum/threads/bad-language.75129/
Now it shouldn't come to a surprise if I tell you that these are two completely different reports and that the things we are looking at here are completely different.

Let's take a look at your own thread first, and I'll tell you what I can see going on in the screenshots you've provided:
> A player is offering to buy your map, and asks you to trade his main in the free market.
> You don't trust it despite you having 3 minutes worth of time to complete a 10m trade, you call it bait.
> Player asks why he would possibly want to scam a map.
> Your party member calls the player a monkey, which is the first out of line comment I see in the conversation.
> Player mentions that he doesnt like the attitude and indicates that he will leave to buy a map from someone else instead.
> GetSwifty makes some borderline racist remarks towards you, to which you reply: "lol its suppose to sound funny".
I don't see anything banworthy in thread at all as both sides were lightly rude and neither side seemed offended by what was said, based on the replies that were presented to us.
With that said I can completely understand why there was no punishment handed out as a result of this thread.
You apparently did not agree with this decision and decided to remake the exact same thread again, expecting a different outcome which for obvious reasons did not happen.


Now let's take a look at the thread you complained about and what has been presented to us:
> RoyalKush is sitting in a corner with a match cards game open with game name "afk ~".
> RoyalKush is not partied with the players who are killing monsters on the map.
> RoyalKush is not involved with the players on the map.
> RoyalKush is according to GetSwifty not wanted in said map, which is expressed in a rude manner.
Now from what I understand you are wondering why Tim has asked questions regarding this report, to which the answer is pretty simple.
The player who has made this report has only provided us with a single screenshot which does not show the context to the situation very well, which leaves a lot of unanswered questions for us: Why was the player there? Was the player afk as he so claimed with his sign? What was the player's involvement with the players and the map?
If we can't see the entire picture it is very hard for us to judge what exactly happened and why things were said or done. In a case like this it is very important for us to know whether the player had any legitimate business there and whether the player instigated the situation or not. For this very reason, Tim asked the player some questions to clarify the blancs.

How we deal with a thread has nothing to do with who makes the report, all that matters is what has been presented to us in the form of evidence to back up the claim.
If the evidence does indeed show that the player has broken the rule in question, we will punish accordingly.

 

I read the forums daily and have not seen this bias that you speak of, can you link some examples?

Your first report was looked at by the GM and they concluded there was not enough evidence for a ban. Your second report was a duplicate of the first so it was auto closed. Neither were "instantly" closed as you claim based on the timestamps.

Defames do matter as it costs money to get fames. Even trading fames is a cost as you could have sold that fame for 1m

I saw your screenshots and at no time did you ask them to stop harassing you, instead you replied "lmao " and "lol its suppose to sound funny"

I do agree with you that he was being a jerk. Next time when you feel abused, tell them to stop instead of loling and they might actually get banned.

 

Since i'm bored.

https://royals.ms/forum/forums/report-abuse.7/?prefix_id=70

Of the last 20 closed reports.

Donators
4 Reports Accepted
4 Reports Denied

Non-Donators
6 Reports Accepted
6 Reports Denied

 

in other news the sky is blue

 

I think the solution for this problem is :

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@Infamousss

Your reports were two of the most petty reports I've ever seen.

I'm glad to see you're still annoyed that they were closed. I honestly hope your annoyance reaches such a high level that it causes you to quit this server. This server has enough players who report for small things as it is, it does not need more.

About your bias accusations: this is just you being insanely childish because you didn't get what you wanted.

In short: grow up and please look for a different server to play. People like you are the main problem with this server.

 

LOL @ everyone who's close minded and only sees this from one perspective. "...tell them to stop instead of loling and they might actually get banned" Lol what. Some people laugh at criticism tho, thats their way to handle it, instead of biting and arguing back and they SS that and YOU get a 3 day ban.Personal Experience. I feel he did the right thing by not arguing with the guy. He reported it. That's what were told to do. Clearly he wanted him to stop, who wants people to keep on harassing/criticizing them. No one. Im not picking sides if there's no evidence then there's no evidence.wont hold up in court smh. What i do know is, every problem thats complained about relating to the gms, gets denied. We should all know its a voluntary position, but ill say this again. No one was forced into it, they signed up. Cant use "unpaid" as an excuse. but hey, who am i to say? Goodluck with this thread. My feedback. Much love to you all.

 

And no i dont think theyre biased based on who donates.

 

Where do I sign up for the donor privilege list?
I must have missed it!

 

Not every thread concerning complaints about GMs is shut down. If anyone has legitimate criticism (and by legitimate I mean they actually have proof, not random accusations), it will get looked into.

This thread, for example: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/gm-favoritism.62893/

Someone had an issue with the way things were handled by the GMs, and I personally feel like a proper discussion was held about that topic.

Threads like this, though, where someone just spews nonsense because he didn't like sometihng a GM did, deserve to be denied.

 

While I don't think a thread was ever made, I can personally vouch for at least one (that I can remember) occasion where players reported a GM for taking advantage of their powers, Matt and I looked into it, and we removed the GM. Action is taken when necessary, do not worry.

 

Interesting assumption you've come to make. In your 7 whole days here, have you ever bothered to read through any of the hundreds of Ban Appeals made by Donors where they were denied their Appeals? Often resulting in the upholding of permanent bans? If any bias existed, ban appeals made by Donors would be the place you would see it. I mean who would want to ban the people who give them money right? Yet, we dont have the issue.

Also in regards to your reports, Id say they are the poster child of petty in game disagreements that should never be looked at anything more than that. You had an arugment with someone, thats exactly what your SS's were of. Move on.

 

to counter act such bias i suggest that you are able to "challenge" the firsts GM's response, if you think it is unfair, and have your case reviewed by another GM.


been playing this server for 3 years
been banned multiple times

just take a deep breath and grind on homie